Vaccine coercion/bribery

[jsharmon7]

Graphic warning. Someone ALLEGEDLY cut out the whatever is causing magnets to stick to vaccine sites.

I’m open to explanations.....

That wouldn’t fit in a syringe, if that’s what is being implied. They also don’t need to put trackers in people when we all willingly carry them around in our pockets. This is the type of stuff that makes people discount those who question the vaccines.

 

[Ark]

Graphic warning. Someone ALLEGEDLY cut out the whatever is causing magnets to stick to vaccine sites.

I’m open to explanations.....

Yeah lol that's BS.

Hot take incoming: The entire "vaccines make your arm magnetic" genre is the creation of government propaganda contractors in order to make vaccine skeptics look like crazy people.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I expected this, although I believe you used to argue the latency was specially four weeks, hence another reason I selected the four week interval - increasing cases should result in increasing deaths four weeks later, yes?

Using smoothed daily data (7 day moving average), the daily new case rate on Jun 03 (4 weeks before Jul 01) was 15142 and the daily death rate on Jul 01 was 259

The daily new case rate on Jul 01 was 13738 while the daily death rate on Jul 29 was 303

So the daily death rate increased ~+17% while the new case rate fell ~-9.3%

I don't find that indicative of the relationship you propose

If we take contemporary data, the daily death rate is 259 on Jul 01 and 303 on Jul 29

The daily new case rate is 13738 on Jul 01 and 71781 on Jul 29. That is a 17% increase in death rate for a 522.5% increase in daily case rate. That also doesn't seem to support any sort of stable ratio between cases and deaths

My bad... apologies... I glanced and saw July 1 and 29th and assumed you were using the month of July... now that I read closer, you offset by 4 weeks, which, IMO, is pretty reasonable nominal time offset for a ballpark, especially since you're using the 7-day average.

The actual CFR would require tracking individuals and their individual outcomes to final resolution, recovery or death.

BUT, I think using the 4-6 week offset on 7 day averaged data should be a pretty good first order approximation.

The .2% number was from UK data from Feb 2021 to July 5 2021 and was for the general population overall with almost 98% of cases being the dreaded delta variant. Those less than 50 had a CFR of .02% while those over 50 were at 1.9% which is still good for that age bracket. Ninety percent of their cases were less than 50 and 10% of the cases were over 50 which is the group with a higher vaccination rate. Nothing really new here and not worth more masks and lockdowns.

Thanks for summarizing... I've not dug into data from quite sometime... really since March/April.

And, IMO, to compare "severity" of the delta variant to the plain old original, they would need to compare by age/health demographics of the unvaccinated... since last year and the very early part of this year, no one was.

Really, the only thing I keep an ear out for is if/when the 40,000 in the Pfizer trial start getting severe COVID, needing hospitalization, or dying in numbers... until that happens, I'm fat, dumb and happy, lol! They've got a 6-8 month head start on me.

And, yeah, I see little intrinsic value in the vaccinated wearing masks (unless you work/live with immuno-compromised who cannot take the vaccine). Another lockdown? Nah!

FWIW, we've got tickets to concerts in Aug & Sept and looking for a third concert tour that was cancelled due to the lockdowns to resume touring.

 

[BugI02]

Are you talking about for the delta variant? Or just covid overall?

Also, I think it's kinda worthless to just talk about CFR anyway, as if it's of use to everyone. The CFR for 20 year olds is almost nothing. The CFR for 90 year olds with more than 8 co-morbidities is, well, better make arrangements as soon as you test positive, because you're not gonna make it. With a range like that I don't find overall CFR very useful.

You would if you wished to compare data for change over time

 

[BugI02]

I really wouldn't doubt it if they all took saline solution.

Given the apparent level of protection afforded by the vaccines against the latest variant, saline might be just as effective

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Are you talking about for the delta variant? Or just covid overall?

Also, I think it's kinda worthless to just talk about CFR anyway, as if it's of use to everyone. The CFR for 20 year olds is almost nothing. The CFR for 90 year olds with more than 8 co-morbidities is, well, better make arrangements as soon as you test positive, because you're not gonna make it. With a range like that I don't find overall CFR very useful.

Agreed... it's been clarified that the CFR that started this discussion was recent UK data with younger/healthy people having much lower CFR and elderly, much higher.... and with the majority of UK's elderly vaccinated, the overall recent CFR now skews towards the lower young demographic outcomes.

No idea if there has been any breakout of outcomes by age bands segregated by vaccination status... i.e. apples to apples except vaccinated or not.

But, like I said above, I have no motivation to even look until the Pfizer trial participants start having issues... they are my canary in the mineshaft, lol!

 

[BugI02]

My bad... apologies... I glanced and saw July 1 and 29th and assumed you were using the month of July... now that I read closer, you offset by 4 weeks, which, IMO, is pretty reasonable nominal time offset for a ballpark, especially since you're using the 7-day average.

The actual CFR would require tracking individuals and their individual outcomes to final resolution, recovery or death.

BUT, I think using the 4-6 week offset on 7 day averaged data should be a pretty good first order approximation.


Thanks for summarizing... I've not dug into data from quite sometime... really since March/April.

And, IMO, to compare "severity" of the delta variant to the plain old original, they would need to compare by age/health demographics of the unvaccinated... since last year and the very early part of this year, no one was.

Really, the only thing I keep an ear out for is if/when the 40,000 in the Pfizer trial start getting severe COVID, needing hospitalization, or dying in numbers... until that happens, I'm fat, dumb and happy, lol! They've got a 6-8 month head start on me.

And, yeah, I see little intrinsic value in the vaccinated wearing masks (unless you work/live with immuno-compromised who cannot take the vaccine). Another lockdown? Nah!

FWIW, we've got tickets to concerts in Aug & Sept and looking for a third concert tour that was cancelled due to the lockdowns to resume touring.

I wanted to use a short recent interval because, given what I'm being told, Delta should be dominant in that sample. I suspected that, since almost no media were talking about anything but numbers of cases, Delta was more infectious but less deadly. That coincides with what would be expected from selection pressure on such a pathogen, and that is what I believe I found in the data

 

[tbhausen]

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Clown world

That would be a big “nope!” from me!

 

[Mikey1911]

Now that we’re two months past the Indianapolis 500, where most of the people around me in J Stand were not wearing masks during the race (I actually felt sorry for the “mask ambassadors” holding up signs asking spectators to wear their masks):

Has there been a statistically significant uptick in Covid-19 cases in Marion or the surrounding counties since Helio climbed the fence?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Now that we’re two months past the Indianapolis 500, where most of the people around me in J Stand were not wearing masks during the race (I actually felt sorry for the “mask ambassadors” holding up signs asking spectators to wear their masks):

Has there been a statistically significant uptick in Covid-19 cases in Marion or the surrounding counties since Helio climbed the fence?

No.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

How about this. If you're scared, stay home, quit your job, hide under your bed (or in your bunker if you're JeepHammer), whatever... and let the rest of us get on with our lives like normal people. Oh and you might want to see a psychologist to work through your irrational fears of getting a virus that might give you a sore throat or the sniffles. I mean I get it. Boogers are terrifying.

 

[gregr]

To keep those sweet, sweet covid bucks rolling in to a Big Pharma

Oh brother, knock that CRAP off. "Big Pharma" makes a LOT of medicines that save lives. If YOU don`t want to take your heart medicine, or any other life saving medicine, feel free. But knock off the ignorant attacks on pharmaceutical companies. It`s old and it`s dumbass.

 

[wtburnette]

Oh brother, knock that CRAP off. "Big Pharma" makes a LOT of medicines that save lives. If YOU don`t want to take your heart medicine, or any other life saving medicine, feel free. But knock off the ignorant attacks on pharmaceutical companies. It`s old and it`s dumbass.

While true that they make some life saving products, the fact that they have also been known to do some heinous things is also true. I refer to the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry as the axis of evil. We wouldn't need a discussion about socialized medicine if the axis of evil hadn't totally screwed up the costs of healthcare in our country.

 

[DadSmith]

Fines for breaching Sydney's lockdown are doubled

Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police given wide-ranging new powers to shut down businesses and construction sites.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is our government going to do this also?

They also are using Australian military to enforce it.

Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Delta outbreak

 

[BigRed]

Fines for breaching Sydney's lockdown are doubled

Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police given wide-ranging new powers to shut down businesses and construction sites.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is our government going to do this also?

They also are using Australian military to enforce it.

Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Delta outbreak

Why does anybody need a weapon capable of firing 100 rounds in a minute?

 

[jsx1043]

Oh brother, knock that CRAP off. "Big Pharma" makes a LOT of medicines that save lives. If YOU don`t want to take your heart medicine, or any other life saving medicine, feel free. But knock off the ignorant attacks on pharmaceutical companies. It`s old and it`s dumbass.

I meant it tongue-in-cheek to throw in a little levity, but since we’re on the subject, it’s worth a healthy dose of skepticism.

First and foremost, I believe that the vast majority of employees who work for pharmaceutical companies really do have their hearts in the right place, and are trying help make a better world through science. They are good, intelligent people advancing science.

What brings me to skepticism is the fact that it, along with many other industries, is a self-licking ice cream cone. While not outright diabolical in the pursuit of wealth, they have to make money. Research costs a LOT. Production and marketing equally so. In the end, they are making a product and have to sell it. In many cases, it’s market-based and has natural controls. However when you have my kid who needs an asthma inhaler and I have to work three hours of OT to afford it, or Epipens skyrocketing to completely unaffordable, I begin to have doubts. If pharmaceutical companies were REALLY good at their job, they would run out of customers.

I have further questions as to how it can be financially feasible for numerous companies to research, produce and market a brand new treatment that is free to the consumer. There is no such thing as a free lunch. We all know that our tax dollars are paying for the treatments, and it’s a whole lot easier to make money when the consumer doesn’t know what they are paying for the product. How much does one injection cost? We’ve never been told. For argument’s sake, let’s say that one vial costs $20. With the money that the government is paying the companies (because we know they are being compensated,) if the grand totals were broken down, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cost per vial is over $100, a lá the old “$10,000 for a toilet seat” the our government is good at. While I obviously don’t have any data to support the hypothesis, since we have been given no factual data on this, one can only go by experience and surmise that this is a logical course of action.

One of the other concerns is why pharma companies pilloried their own already existing prophylactics in favor of the new treatment. HCQ, ivermectin and azithromycin have been proven to be somewhat effective in certain cases, and all pre-existing medications were summarily poo-pooed by the establishment in favor of a brand new, rushed, untested treatment, which continues everyday to show that it’s nowhere near as effective nor as safe as is being lauded upon us. This leads me to one of two conclusions:

1. Corners were cut and processes were rushed to get a product to market;

or;

2. A substandard product with minimal effectiveness was developed on purpose, to mitigate possible side-effects and require further booster shots down the road, thus increasing income.

Neither the withholding of existing medicine nor the effectiveness of the current treatment gives me any faith that the best course of action was taken.

In the end, the political route was chosen, and politics = money. When this all shakes out, we will come to find out that Covid-19 will have effected the greatest transfer of wealth that our planet has ever seen. They said in the beginning that “we are all in this together,” which has proven to be categorically untrue. The regular Joe has been made to suffer economic, emotional, occupational and medical crises and destruction while the elite class has seen their incomes skyrocket while suffering none of these crises nor the loss of their liberties. They are free to move about the country and OCONUS and vacation on their private islands, free of masks, riots and increased crime, while we navigate empty store shelves and a 300% increase in burglaries and home invasions. Big pharma CEOs are not free from blame in this whole debacle when they could have used safer, more cost-effective pre-existing treatments to treat the symptoms of 99.8% survivable disease rather than sit down at the table of big bank/government casino. Medical ethics be damned.

 

[gregr]

While true that they make some life saving products, the fact that they have also been known to do some heinous things is also true. I refer to the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry as the axis of evil. We wouldn't need a discussion about socialized medicine if the axis of evil hadn't totally screwed up the costs of healthcare in our country.

I will reiterate: STOP taking your heart medicines, your dementia medicines, your Diabetes medicine, that`ll show `em!

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[BigRed]

I will reiterate: STOP taking your dementia medicines

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And become president!

 

[BugI02]

Oh brother, knock that CRAP off. "Big Pharma" makes a LOT of medicines that save lives. If YOU don`t want to take your heart medicine, or any other life saving medicine, feel free. But knock off the ignorant attacks on pharmaceutical companies. It`s old and it`s dumbass.

So, we shouldn't talk about producing 10x the number of synthetic opiate doses as there were legitimate prescriptions for or the efficacy of remdesevir or aduhelm relative to their cost or high US pricing used to subsidize discounts to countries where prescription prices are negotiated by the health system as a whole while lobbying against the same strategy here for medicare and medicaid

Got it

 

[BugI02]

Fines for breaching Sydney's lockdown are doubled

Fines for Covid rule breakers in NSW have doubled and police given wide-ranging new powers to shut down businesses and construction sites.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Is our government going to do this also?

They also are using Australian military to enforce it.

Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Delta outbreak

Much easier to do once they took many of their firearms away and required licensing to possess the rest 20+ years or so ago after Port Arthur was used as the excuse

This could easily be us if we're not careful