Vaccine coercion/bribery

[Ingomike]

Nah. One faction doesn’t own the whole party. He’s a card carrying Republican. He’s just a chamber-o-commerce Republican ********er. That’s the Republican elitist faction of the “Republican Party. And they are the largest, most powerful faction in the Republican Party. Why else do you think he’s primary proof? If he were a Republican in name only, then why can’t a “real” Republican beat him? Because he’s the quintessential Republican. This is the heart of the party.

He probably thinks the conservatarians, the populists, the constitutionalist factions, etcetera, within the Republican party are “RINO’s”.

Naw. Cocaine Mitch is primary proof because he is from in a divided state that really values literally bringing home the bacon and after 35 years has amassed a war chest of cash that itself is formidable. He once was reliably conservative, like Paul Ryan, but what the voters call the swamp turned out to be a hot tub of corruption that he really likes.

His agenda is free trade, particularly with China, that will be shipped on the ships his wife's family "own", you know, ships that are built by the Chinese, staffed by the Chinese, and filled with Chinese products.

The way you describe it seems as if he has core values that are just different than other republicans, naw, his core values are himself and anything that enhances that...

 

[rhamersley]

Man Disguises Self As Illegal Immigrant So Democrats Won't Care That He's Unvaccinated

SAN DIEGO, CA—According to sources, Democrats in Washington really want people to get vaccinated. When it comes to undocumented immigrants, however, Democrats don't really seem to care as much. This led local man Damien Cooper to pose as an illegal immigrant so politicians won't bother him about...

babylonbee.com

Man Disguises Self As Illegal Immigrant So Democrats Won't Care That He's Unvaccinated
July 29th, 2021 - BabylonBee.com

 

[BugI02]

Naw. Cocaine Mitch is primary proof because he is from in a divided state that really values literally bringing home the bacon and after 35 years has amassed a war chest of cash that itself is formidable. He once was reliably conservative, like Paul Ryan, but what the voters call the swamp turned out to be a hot tub of corruption that he really likes.

His agenda is free trade, particularly with China, that will be shipped on the ships his wife's family "own", you know, ships that are built by the Chinese, staffed by the Chinese, and filled with Chinese products.

The way you describe it seems as if he has core values that are just different than other republicans, naw, his core values are himself and anything that enhances that...

Mitch became dead to me when he said the quiet part out loud when implying a scorched earth 'republican' response to eliminating the filibuster. A number of policy positions that he detailed would only be advanvced as part of a strategy to punish the Democrats were policies that republicans had been running on for some time and for which I thought we sent people like him to congress and tolerated his excesses

He was the right man at the right time to advance conservative judges, but obviously was never willing to heed the will of the people unless he agreed with it

Time to go

He can probably go hang out with Wayne La Pierre

 

[SheepDog4Life]

His number is accurate, he was talking specifically about the Delta variant and that number came out of the UK which has had the most cases of Delta. Like Covid in general though it is age dependent and most of the cases with Delta in the UK have been those under 50 (as most over 50 have been vaccinated) which they say is around 1% to .08% so even better.

Ok, so for younger cohorts... sure.

Worldometers, just now

Total cases between 1Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent available 4 week period)

34432152 (cases 29Jul) - 33241384 (cases 1Jul) = 1190768 new cases 7/1 - 7/29

Total deaths between 1 Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent 4 week period)

628492 (deaths 29 Jul) - 620934 (deaths 1 Jul) = 7558 new deaths 7/1 - 7/29

CFR for 7/1 - 7/29 7558 ÷ 1190768 = 0.00656 or 0.656% - slightly more than 1/3 of what you claim

If you wish to make a point about the inaccuracies introduced by pcr testing limitations, surely some allowance must be made for the inflated death count also. Thus the limitation to recent data (which I am not arguing is necessarily better)

So, date bracketed... sure, a third of the overall numbers... and still more than triple the quoted 0.2%.

And again, current cases to current deaths ignores that the people who just test positive today, that are going to end up in the hospital or dying, won't do so for weeks or months. Delta-t on two time series.

He's been a doom and gloom covid person since it started, now that the numbers look good something must be wrong lol.

Nope, definitely, 100% looking better this summer than last. I would say your opinion is based upon your perspective... to the everyone MUST vaccinate, everyone must mask, believe the science/CDC/WHO/Fauci crowd... they see me as being in your tribe. Lol!

So, IMO, if both extreme tribes see me as "blaspheming", then I'm pretty close to Goldilocks.

Some people only poke their heads in this echo chamber occasionally, so if you throw out some number without qualifier, but really mean just within a recent time bracket and age cohort, then say so.

 

[drillsgt]

Ok, so for younger cohorts... sure.

So, date bracketed... sure, a third of the overall numbers... and still more than triple the quoted 0.2%.

And again, current cases to current deaths ignores that the people who just test positive today, that are going to end up in the hospital or dying, won't do so for weeks or months. Delta-t on two time series.


Nope, definitely, 100% looking better this summer than last. I would say your opinion is based upon your perspective... to the everyone MUST vaccinate, everyone must mask, believe the science/CDC/WHO/Fauci crowd... they see me as being in your tribe. Lol!

So, IMO, if both extreme tribes see me as "blaspheming", then I'm pretty close to Goldilocks.

Some people only poke their heads in this echo chamber occasionally, so if you throw out some number without qualifier, but really mean just within a recent time bracket and age cohort, then say so.

The .2% number was from UK data from Feb 2021 to July 5 2021 and was for the general population overall with almost 98% of cases being the dreaded delta variant. Those less than 50 had a CFR of .02% while those over 50 were at 1.9% which is still good for that age bracket. Ninety percent of their cases were less than 50 and 10% of the cases were over 50 which is the group with a higher vaccination rate. Nothing really new here and not worth more masks and lockdowns.

 

[BugI02]

And again, current cases to current deaths ignores that the people who just test positive today, that are going to end up in the hospital or dying, won't do so for weeks or months. Delta-t on two time series.

I expected this, although I believe you used to argue the latency was specially four weeks, hence another reason I selected the four week interval - increasing cases should result in increasing deaths four weeks later, yes?

Using smoothed daily data (7 day moving average), the daily new case rate on Jun 03 (4 weeks before Jul 01) was 15142 and the daily death rate on Jul 01 was 259

The daily new case rate on Jul 01 was 13738 while the daily death rate on Jul 29 was 303

So the daily death rate increased ~+17% while the new case rate fell ~-9.3%

I don't find that indicative of the relationship you propose

If we take contemporary data, the daily death rate is 259 on Jul 01 and 303 on Jul 29

The daily new case rate is 13738 on Jul 01 and 71781 on Jul 29. That is a 17% increase in death rate for a 522.5% increase in daily case rate. That also doesn't seem to support any sort of stable ratio between cases and deaths

 

[wtburnette]

I expected this, although I believe you used to argue the latency was specially four weeks, hence another reason I selected the four week interval - increasing cases should result in increasing deaths four weeks later, yes?

Using smoothed daily data (7 day moving average), the daily new case rate on Jun 03 (4 weeks before Jul 01) was 15142 and the daily death rate on Jul 01 was 259

The daily new case rate on Jul 01 was 13738 while the daily death rate on Jul 29 was 303

So the daily death rate increased ~+17% while the new case rate fell ~-9.3%

I don't find that indicative of the relationship you propose

If we take contemporary data, the daily death rate is 259 on Jul 01 and 303 on Jul 29

The daily new case rate is 13738 on Jul 01 and 71781 on Jul 29. That is a 17% increase in death rate for a 522.5% increase in daily case rate. That also doesn't seem to support any sort of stable ratio between cases and deaths

That's because Delta is much more communicable, but has a much lower death rate. The noise about this variant is flat out fearmongering.

 

[JCSR]

I don't expect this to be up long.

 

[jamil]

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Clown world

There is no science to support that wearing masks outdoors does a ***damn thing. If wearing masks outside does anything, it signals one's fear, gullibility, or faux virtue.

 

[JCSR]

Sec of Defense has it all covered........

 

[jamil]

Why would someone ever get the shot if they're being ordered to mask forever either way? Some sales pitch.

Breakthrough COVID infections show 'the unvaccinated are now putting the vaccinated at risk'

Occasional breakthroughs are expected with any vaccine, but more transmissible variants spread among so many unvaccinated people in the United States has placed greater strain on highly effective and safe COVID-19 vaccines.

www.pbs.org

We're not even pretending the vaccine works anymore. "The highly effective and safe vaccine"...that won't protect you against those dirty unvaxxed people.

Of note, they're not saying the vaccine doesn't work on the covid variant that it was designed for. It's the delta variant that they're talking about.

 

[jamil]

You might want to check your math, or your source. The US CFR is closer to 2% (currently 1.76%), so where ever you got your number, it appears to be an order of magnitude off.

Also, I recall a number of the folks active in this thread (don't recall and am too lazy to look if you were one of them) arguing vehmently, prior to the election, that the PCR tests were running too many replication cycles and inflating the number of cases... so if you believe the number of reported cases (denominator of CFR) is too high, then the reported CFR is too low.

Not a species ending event, but decidedly not the common cold.

Are you talking about for the delta variant? Or just covid overall?

Also, I think it's kinda worthless to just talk about CFR anyway, as if it's of use to everyone. The CFR for 20 year olds is almost nothing. The CFR for 90 year olds with more than 8 co-morbidities is, well, better make arrangements as soon as you test positive, because you're not gonna make it. With a range like that I don't find overall CFR very useful.

 

[jamil]

Naw. Cocaine Mitch is primary proof because he is from in a divided state that really values literally bringing home the bacon and after 35 years has amassed a war chest of cash that itself is formidable. He once was reliably conservative, like Paul Ryan, but what the voters call the swamp turned out to be a hot tub of corruption that he really likes.

His agenda is free trade, particularly with China, that will be shipped on the ships his wife's family "own", you know, ships that are built by the Chinese, staffed by the Chinese, and filled with Chinese products.

The way you describe it seems as if he has core values that are just different than other republicans, naw, his core values are himself and anything that enhances that...

Mitch is an establishment R. That he's enriching himself is a function of being a Senator for a billion years, and not because he isn't a "real" Republican. It doesn't matter how he sucks wealth. People will just keep voting for him. It's not like he wins election every time because he has fooled people into thinking he's a populist conservative. The bulk of the tu[R]d party are not populist conservatives. There's a fair chunk, especially in KY. But it's not a majority.

The moral majority faction of the party failed as a faction. The establishment won. Same with the TEAParty. Do you think the "real" Republicans are populist/conservatives?

KY R's aren't all that different from Indiana R's. Most people on INGO would consider Holcomb a RINO. Nah. He's as "Republican" as a Republican can be in Indiana. He's not really any less "Republican" than Mitch. Holcomb won the last election in a landslide. Most Republican voters appear to vote like they really prefer the establishment candidates over whatever the popular Republican faction of the day is. Mitch isn't a RINO. He's quintessentially Republican.

Todd Young is shaping his career up to be a chamber-o-commerce ********er too. I'm not gonna call him a RINO just because he's not as populist/conservative as I want him to be. He's a Republican because that's what a Republican is. If he stays in the Senate as long as Mitch has, he'll be rich too. Probably better to oust him ASAP before he becomes a fixture like Mitch. Then getting rid of him will be like trying to flick a sticky booger from your finger.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I heard the news about the $100 payment on the drive home yesterday.

I got home and walked up to my wife and said "THANKS honey. You cost us $200. " She pushed to bite the bullet and get vaxed and we did it 3 days ago. LOL

 

[tim87tr]

There's a lot of technical discussion with a ton of distracting variables for an election flu that has killed a small fraction of a percent of the population.

 

[rooster]

I don't expect this to be up long.

I’ve seen this and I’ve read studies showing that the second vaccination after natural covid immunity actually lowers overall immunity levels

 

[JCSR]

Mitch has taken good care of his people with projects through out the state. He is not shy to take credit for his good deeds.
The Owensboro river front is just one of them. Way nicer than cities three times it's size.

 

[vulindlela]

I wonder if our leaders actually took the vaccine or are just lying about it. Trying to get the sheep to follow so to speak.

I really wouldn't doubt it if they all took saline solution.

 

[Leadeye]

When things seem contradictory and you're not sure what to believe, I always fall back on...

Always follow the money...

The great clarifier.

 

[rooster]

Graphic warning. Someone ALLEGEDLY cut out the whatever is causing magnets to stick to vaccine sites.

I’m open to explanations.....