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    sparky32

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    lovemachine

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    We got an email at work yesterday (DoD) saying that effective immediately, regardless of vaccination status, all employees are required to wear masks at all times as long as they are in the building (thank goodness I don't have to work in the building).

    So what’s the point of being vaccinated then? If you’re vaccinated, you can still carry and spread the virus.

    The whole thing is just dumb.
     

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    Republican in name only

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    Nah. One faction doesn’t own the whole party. He’s a card carrying Republican. He’s just a chamber-o-commerce Republican ********er. That’s the Republican elitist faction of the “Republican Party. And they are the largest, most powerful faction in the Republican Party. Why else do you think he’s primary proof? If he were a Republican in name only, then why can’t a “real” Republican beat him? Because he’s the quintessential Republican. This is the heart of the party.

    He probably thinks the conservatarians, the populists, the constitutionalist factions, etcetera, within the Republican party are “RINO’s”.
     

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    We got an email at work yesterday (DoD) saying that effective immediately, regardless of vaccination status, all employees are required to wear masks at all times as long as they are in the building (thank goodness I don't have to work in the building).
    I've seen people wearing what I call bicyclists mask with a vent. Do those work better? Are they allowed or does the government require n95's?
     

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    I've seen people wearing what I call bicyclists mask with a vent. Do those work better? Are they allowed or does the government require n95's?
    The ones with vents do nothing since the vent allows your breath to go out. Our work just requires either the paper masks or cloth masks, but no bandanas or things like that.
     

    DadSmith

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    The ones with vents do nothing since the vent allows your breath to go out. Our work just requires either the paper masks or cloth masks, but no bandanas or things like that.
    A friend uses one he calls an environmental mask. He showed it to me and it has 1 lay of cotton, then an environmental filter then another layer of cotton before it hits the vent. So It seems like it would filter more than a single layer mask plus the vent keeps the glasses from fogging up.
    Wish they made something you can put on glasses to keep them from fogging up.
     

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    We got an email at work yesterday (DoD) saying that effective immediately, regardless of vaccination status, all employees are required to wear masks at all times as long as they are in the building (thank goodness I don't have to work in the building).
    Why would someone ever get the shot if they're being ordered to mask forever either way? Some sales pitch.


    We're not even pretending the vaccine works anymore. "The highly effective and safe vaccine"...that won't protect you against those dirty unvaxxed people. :rolleyes:
     

    Ark

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    Getting preventative maintenance on the Ford done, watching the news, and they're saying that Delta is spreading as easily as the common cold, and vaccinated are just as likely catch/transmit it.

    So.... why get the vaccine?
    Delta also has a CFR of 0.2%...meaning an IFR of dramatically less than that.

    It is a common cold for all intents and purposes.
     

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    Delta also has a CFR of 0.2%...meaning an IFR of dramatically less than that.

    It is a common cold for all intents and purposes.
    You might want to check your math, or your source. The US CFR is closer to 2% (currently 1.76%), so where ever you got your number, it appears to be an order of magnitude off.

    Also, I recall a number of the folks active in this thread (don't recall and am too lazy to look if you were one of them) arguing vehmently, prior to the election, that the PCR tests were running too many replication cycles and inflating the number of cases... so if you believe the number of reported cases (denominator of CFR) is too high, then the reported CFR is too low.

    Not a species ending event, but decidedly not the common cold.
     

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    You might want to check your math, or your source. The US CFR is closer to 2% (currently 1.76%), so where ever you got your number, it appears to be an order of magnitude off.

    Also, I recall a number of the folks active in this thread (don't recall and am too lazy to look if you were one of them) arguing vehmently, prior to the election, that the PCR tests were running too many replication cycles and inflating the number of cases... so if you believe the number of reported cases (denominator of CFR) is too high, then the reported CFR is too low.

    Not a species ending event, but decidedly not the common cold.
    His number is accurate, he was talking specifically about the Delta variant and that number came out of the UK which has had the most cases of Delta. Like Covid in general though it is age dependent and most of the cases with Delta in the UK have been those under 50 (as most over 50 have been vaccinated) which they say is around 1% to .08% so even better.
     

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    Worldometers, just now

    Total cases between 1Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent available 4 week period)

    34432152 (cases 29Jul) - 33241384 (cases 1Jul) = 1190768 new cases 7/1 - 7/29

    Total deaths between 1 Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent 4 week period)

    628492 (deaths 29 Jul) - 620934 (deaths 1 Jul) = 7558 new deaths 7/1 - 7/29

    CFR for 7/1 - 7/29 7558 ÷ 1190768 = 0.00656 or 0.656% - slightly more than 1/3 of what you claim

    If you wish to make a point about the inaccuracies introduced by pcr testing limitations, surely some allowance must be made for the inflated death count also. Thus the limitation to recent data (which I am not arguing is necessarily better)
     

    drillsgt

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    Worldometers, just now

    Total cases between 1Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent available 4 week period)

    34432152 (cases 29Jul) - 33241384 (cases 1Jul) = 1190768 new cases 7/1 - 7/29

    Total deaths between 1 Jul 21 and 29 Jul 21 (most recent 4 week period)

    628492 (deaths 29 Jul) - 620934 (deaths 1 Jul) = 7558 new deaths 7/1 - 7/29


    CFR for 7/1 - 7/29 7558 ÷ 1190768 = 0.00656 or 0.656% - slightly more than 1/3 of what you claim

    If you wish to make a point about the inaccuracies introduced by pcr testing limitations, surely some allowance must be made for the inflated death count also. Thus the limitation to recent data (which I am not arguing is necessarily better)
    He's been a doom and gloom covid person since it started, now that the numbers look good something must be wrong lol.
     
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