Vaccine coercion/bribery

[jamil]

this is a dictatorship? Someone tell the Cubans, North Koreans, old East Germans, ...

There's nothing in the first amendment stating government can't disseminate information. The fact that people can go into a public forum and call a (elected) president a "dictator" (and say many other things), shows the 1A is alive and well.

How about using social media as a state actor to censor information through a third party? How about that? Can you criticize vaccines on Facebook in certain ways without Biden's ministry of truth highlighting it for Facebook to censor? Is that speech free?

 

[jamil]

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Fauci: Polio, smallpox would still be spreading with today’s ‘false information’​

https://nypost.com/2021/07/18/fauci-polio-smallpox-would-still-be-spreading-with-false-information/

I guess this doesn't count.....

Historical Vaccine Safety Concerns​

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

Why? Did Fauci fund those gain of function studies too?

 

[jamil]

Did you read that on an MSM site or right wing? Maybe you got that piece of information on Facebook, or Twitter, or the Daily Caller (whose FB engagement makes CNN's traffic look like grandma's cat pictures).

Look at all the links, to all the articles here on INGO. Hundreds to thousands expressing a view that we both would agree goes against what the WH wants. Then go to other forums... More links to more articles, more comments...

But, please continue to tell me how speech is being oppressed.

She said it dude. I dunno. Maybe you missed it because NPR is too embarrassed to report on it.

 

[JCSR]

Why? Did Fauci fund those gain of function studies too?

I'm sure even as a wee boy he was working for good.

 

[Ark]

I believe the answer is mutations. With an unvaccinated person, the virus can thrive and mutate into stronger, more deadly forms. And some people can't get vaccinated, and I'm sure they prefer to not have to worry about it anymore.

Plus, the cost of dealing with COVID-19 affects everyone - healthcare, continuance of cleaning everything, lost labor, travel restrictions, freakin' govt handouts, etc.


(Just trying to inject some logic.)

This is incorrect. There is no evolutionary pressure in an unvaccinated, vulnerable person to drive mutation. And, if mutation does occur, it's always in the direction of less deadly and more transmissible, i.e. turning into a common cold or flu.

It's vaccinated and partially vaccinated people who are creating an evolutionary environment that selects for strains that transmit more and resist vaccination. That's what happens when you push vaccines en masse during a pandemic. Highly qualified people tried to warn about this and were shouted down.

https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf

The media effort to blame unvaccinated people and slander them as "variant factories" is crass, lazy scapegoating for the predicted failure of their policies.

 

[wtburnette]

How about using social media as a state actor to censor information through a third party? How about that? Can you criticize vaccines on Facebook in certain ways without Biden's ministry of truth highlighting it for Facebook to censor? Is that speech free?

Yep and I don't want to hear about them being private businesses. They are the new "public square" and have special protections that other private businesses don't have in order to fulfill that role. To my mind they shouldn't be allowed to remove or censor any posts, let alone posts for or against specific ideologies. We should be able to debate any topic, for or against on those platforms without fear of censorship.

 

[rooster]

I believe the answer is mutations. With an unvaccinated person, the virus can thrive and mutate into stronger, more deadly forms. And some people can't get vaccinated, and I'm sure they prefer to not have to worry about it anymore.

I’ve cited plenty of sources that show this is not the case. Vaccines cause variants if they don’t actually prevent the virus.

so once again. Here is a reputable source saying that leaky vaccines cause variants. Please read it and understand that what the news and your government is telling you is false.

The Marek’s vaccine is “imperfect” or “leaky.” That is, it protects chickens from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out. But in an immunised flock, they can persist because their lethal nature has been neutered. That’s not a problem for vaccinated individuals. But unvaccinated birds are now in serious trouble.

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses

Over the past fifty years, Marek’s disease—an illness of fowl—has become fouler. Marek’s is caused by a highly contagious virus, related to those that cause herpes in humans. It spreads through the dust of contaminated chicken coops, and caused both paralysis and cancer. In the 1970s, new...

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[phylodog]

Damn you guys and all your facts. What the **** are the rest of us supposed to do with all of these emotions? How can I continue to be dead set on getting as many vaccines as possible if you all are gonna keep posting **** showing that somewhere between 40% - 60% of current hospitalizations due to Covid are from vaccinated people? How are you gonna keep blaming those "lesser than" people who refuse to get it?

So frustrating.

 

[jamil]

Damn you guys and all your facts. What the **** are the rest of us supposed to do with all of these emotions? How can I continue to be dead set on getting as many vaccines as possible if you all are gonna keep posting **** showing that somewhere between 40% - 60% of current hospitalizations due to Covid are from vaccinated people? How are you gonna keep blaming those "lesser than" people who refuse to get it?

So frustrating.

I think JK would be aware of this information if NPR reported on all the news instead of just administration approved news.

 

[phylodog]

I think JK would be aware of this information if NPR reported on all the news instead of just administration approved news.

Maybe. Some people aren't interested in the truth.

 

[wtburnette]

It's what happens when we seek "personal truths" instead of The truth. People want something to be true so badly that it becomes true for them, whether or not facts are on their side.

 

[Leadeye]

I'm curious if there has been any general accounting of all the costs involved in this. Big pharma doesn't work for free that I know of, so how big is the bill so far and is the government keeping track of the details?

 

[jamil]

I'm curious if there has been any general accounting of all the costs involved in this. Big pharma doesn't work for free that I know of, so how big is the bill so far and is the government keeping track of the details?

Probably that information isn't approved by Biden's ministry of truth.

 

[NKBJ]

Dr. Robert W. Malone (inventor of the technology), states that he has been warned that he needs to obtain security and may be in danger of assassination for speaking out against the experimental mrna therapy products being pushed upon the public.
Could be linked somehow to all those dead bio-warfare related researchers over the last decade or so? For a while they were dropping dead even faster than bankers.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Dr. Robert W. Malone (inventor of the technology), states that he has been warned that he needs to obtain security and may be in danger of assassination for speaking out against the experimental mrna therapy products being pushed upon the public.
Could be linked somehow to all those dead bio-warfare related researchers over the last decade or so? For a while they were dropping dead even faster than bankers.

Where did he state that? Can't find any reference to such a thing.

It's certainly believable that they will find Dr Malone dead of apparent suicide with two shots to the back of the head.

He's got an interesting blog: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/news

 

[printcraft]

I believe the answer is mutations. With an unvaccinated person, the virus can thrive and mutate into stronger, more deadly forms. And some people can't get vaccinated, and I'm sure they prefer to not have to worry about it anymore.

Plus, the cost of dealing with COVID-19 affects everyone - healthcare, continuance of cleaning everything, lost labor, travel restrictions, freakin' govt handouts, etc.


(Just trying to inject some logic.)

Did you read that on Fox site or left wing? Maybe you got that piece of information on Facebook, or Twitter, or the Daily Kos (whose FB engagement makes CNN's traffic look like grandma's cat pictures).

 

[JCSR]

I'm curious if there has been any general accounting of all the costs involved in this. Big pharma doesn't work for free that I know of, so how big is the bill so far and is the government keeping track of the details?

Some are doing very well ....

 

[jsharmon7]

I believe the answer is mutations. With an unvaccinated person, the virus can thrive and mutate into stronger, more deadly forms. And some people can't get vaccinated, and I'm sure they prefer to not have to worry about it anymore.

Plus, the cost of dealing with COVID-19 affects everyone - healthcare, continuance of cleaning everything, lost labor, travel restrictions, freakin' govt handouts, etc.


(Just trying to inject some logic.)

I’m certainly open to logic and explanation. It seems like healthcare is more burdened with poor lifestyle choices than COVID cases, though. If we are willing to shame people for not getting this vaccine, we should open the door all the way. Start shaming the obese people who are hospitalized for the problems their choices created. Or smokers, drinkers, etc.

As far as mutations, I can’t buy that argument. It’s going to keep mutating, and even vaccinated people will continue to get it. The vaccine isn’t 100%, so this is going to become a constant thing we will deal with.

 

[Ark]

Damn you guys and all your facts. What the **** are the rest of us supposed to do with all of these emotions? How can I continue to be dead set on getting as many vaccines as possible if you all are gonna keep posting **** showing that somewhere between 40% - 60% of current hospitalizations due to Covid are from vaccinated people? How are you gonna keep blaming those "lesser than" people who refuse to get it?

So frustrating.

Hey man, just because the Pinto is a death trap, that doesn't mean you can't buy a Mustang. Get that rabies vaccine.

 

[JCSR]