Pence heckled. Called a traitor

[Ingomike]

You say resolved, because Gore didn’t complain like Trump did. There were plenty of issues to contest concerning the state. Florida’s two separate houses, were party split, but the Florida Supreme Court was held by Democrats. If the VP has the power to simply reject the certified results sent from a state, then Gore would been on solid footing to do the same. The VP simply does not have that power.

Still don't see "certified" in the constitution. If the election ran by a democratic SOS was not ran as prescribed by the legislature, the "certified" results are not constitutional.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

then every one gets to go out, get drunk, have sex, and celebrate their victory.

NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER!!! Again talk about the speaker of the house (pelosi) putting her image in our heads, then bring up the VP (Kamala or Pence, both bad in this context) and then jump to this!

 

[IndyDave1776]

You say resolved, because Gore didn’t complain like Trump did. There were plenty of issues to contest concerning the state. Florida’s two separate houses, were party split, but the Florida Supreme Court was held by Democrats. If the VP has the power to simply reject the certified results sent from a state, then Gore would been on solid footing to do the same. The VP simply does not have that power.

No. Just ****ing no. If you're going to disregard what I said and argue against what you choose to assign to me this discussion is over.

You might also account for the fact that, regardless of one's opinion of the decision, the courts up to and including the Supreme Court acted, thus resolving the issue legally, as opposed to sticking their fingers in their ears and humming.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Still don't see "certified" in the constitution. If the election ran by a democratic SOS was not ran as prescribed by the legislature, the "certified" results are not constitutional.

No certified isn’t in the Constitution, neither, under the 12th Amendment is “reject.” The VP’s role is to open envelopes, count the results, and hear any challenges. Challenges which are handled outside of his authority. FULL STOP. Nowhere does it say that he can reject the votes submitted.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No certified isn’t in the Constitution, neither, under the 12th Amendment is “reject.” The VP’s role is to open envelopes, count the results, and hear any challenges. Challenges which are handled outside of his authority. FULL STOP. Nowhere does it say that he can reject the votes submitted.

If that were true he would have to accepted both sets of electors from the states that sent two.

Also note that nothing in the 12A changes the constitutional authority assigned to the state legislatures.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No. Just ****ing no. If you're going to disregard what I said and argue against what you choose to assign to me this discussion is over.

You might also account for the fact that, regardless of one's opinion of the decision, the courts up to and including the Supreme Court acted, thus resolving the issue legally, as opposed to sticking their fingers in their ears and humming.

Oh, I’m clear that the SCOTUS rule on this issue. But obviously, if the VP had the powers that some are magically bestowing on the office, Gore could’ve rejected Florida well before it got there, and allowed it progress that way.
Also, I’d like to point out, which apparently seems forgotten, is that the courts settled this current issue as well. You guys are just upset it didn’t go your way.

 

[Kutnupe14]

If that were true he would have to accepted both sets of electors from the states that sent two.

No, he could’ve deferred to the state to figure it out, per law, and bet that the then-Democrat dominated Florida Supreme Court would rule in favor of electors favorable to him.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No, he could’ve deferred to the state to figure it out, per law, and bet that the then-Democrat dominated Florida Supreme Court would rule in favor of electors favorable to him.

What are you talking about?

Oh, you jumped back to 2000. No, there were no duplicate electors and the election was settled in the Supreme Court.

2020, Pence ran with a choice between competing electors that he arbitrarily made himself.

 

[BigRed]

If the central state was in its cage, such things would matter little.... and most often, even less.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Oh, I’m clear that the SCOTUS rule on this issue. But obviously, if the VP had the powers that some are magically bestowing on the office, Gore could’ve rejected Florida well before it got there, and allowed it progress that way.
Also, I’d like to point out, which apparently seems forgotten, is that the courts settled this current issue as well. You guys are just upset it didn’t go your way.

This is the stupidest **** I have read all week. Denying a hearing based on standing is NOT settling anything.

 

[thompal]

Should the Arizona audit, or any others, identify significant fraud or errors which could have effected the outcome, the damage to this Nation's election process will be substantial, and impact the legitimacy of the current administration substantially for a significant portion of the citizenry. That could, and should, have been avoided at all costs. Making each State fully and unambiguously accountable for what they chose to put forth within the Electoral College should have been an easy choice.

Yes, BUT:
What "accountability" can the states have? To be held accountable, there must be some penalty involved, a means to compel them to uphold the law.

What recourse could the federal government have? To delay declaring a winner until the State resolves any problems? As we've seen multiple times, when Democrats think they are going to lose, they will simply walk out and prevent any vote from happening. It's not much of a stretch to imagine Democrats, if they think they are behind, simply refusing to participate, thereby preventing a Republican president from being declared the winner.

 

[Kutnupe14]

This is the stupidest **** I have read all week. Denying a hearing based on standing is NOT settling anything.

It’s not nearly as stupid as thinking Mike Pence had the authority to throw out election results on a whim.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It’s not nearly as stupid as thinking Mike Pence had the authority to throw out election results on a whim.

Its not a whim. He made a choice he lacked the authority to make.

 

[KLB]

In the event of no candidate reaching 270 electoral votes, the election would have been determined in the House of Representatives, which presumably could have managed a vote inside of two weeks.

And you think the outcome would have been different?

 

[Route 45]

I bet there will be a distinctly different sentiment regarding constitutional rules and duties if VP Harris ends up having to decide whether to refer a similar matter to a Democrat controlled House in 2024.

Or whoever Harris' VP is after bumbling Joe wanders off and winds up on a milk carton.

 

[Ingomike]

And you think the outcome would have been different?

I believe the senate votes for president and the house for VP, so yes.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Should the Arizona audit, or any others, identify significant fraud or errors which could have effected the outcome, the damage to this Nation's election process will be substantial, and impact the legitimacy of the current administration substantially for a significant portion of the citizenry. That could, and should, have been avoided at all costs. Making each State fully and unambiguously accountable for what they chose to put forth within the Electoral College should have been an easy choice.

The Arizona audit is already jumped the shark. No one with half a brain would accept whatever they "discover." The company that conducted the audit moved the results to a "lab" in Minnesota, on the private property of the owner of the audit company. No oversight. One would have to have a EPIC level of stupidity if they think such actions ensure confidence.

 

[Ingomike]

The Arizona audit is already jumped the shark. No one with half a brain would accept whatever they "discover." The company that conducted the audit moved the results to a "lab" in Minnesota, on the private property of the owner of the audit company. No oversight. One would have to have a EPIC level of stupidity if they think such actions ensure confidence.

And the propaganda is further spread...

 

[1DOWN4UP]

I am thinking with near 140 House and Senate members questioning the legitimacy of their states EC votes,, Pence should have quite counting,and dump the entire mess on the House,and let them sort it out.Nancy would be President for the first 100ish days while the SCOTUS had to intervene. Pence fell for the trap,and his Glory Days are in his mirror. I AM NOT A LAWYER,BUT I PLAY ONE ON INGO.

 

[IndyDave1776]

And you think the outcome would have been different?

Pretty much a certainty. President gets one vote per state delegation and there are more red states.

I bet there will be a distinctly different sentiment regarding constitutional rules and duties if VP Harris ends up having to decide whether to refer a similar matter to a Democrat controlled House in 2024.

Or whoever Harris' VP is after bumbling Joe wanders off and winds up on a milk carton..

Not really. You can bet your bottom dollar that a Democrat would have done whatever was necessary for a Democrat win, but I favor playing by the rules until it reaches the point that the other side is flagrantly disregarding them rendering the subject moot. In other words I would prefer a fair loss this time as opposed to being stuck in a cheating contest, although I believe we have passed that point.

I believe the senate votes for president and the house for VP, so yes.

Right idea but the other way around. House elects the president and Senate elects the VP.