Slavery in America

[1DOWN4UP]

Well,nothing new here.This subject will always be such a cesspool of excitement for some,and there are always a few floaters.
Shouldn't we be constructive by looking for those last few statues?

 

[wtburnette]

Again.



For those still struggling.


Individuals. Today. Who. Had. Nothing. To. Do. With. Them.



Let it go.

Cliff Notes version, I love it!

Well, to me it is obvious why these facts are glossed over. Soooooooooooooooo many people would loose their power and revenue streams. Keep this **** alive, push the narrative and hold America hostage in the same vein as The Rev. () Jesse Jackson.

People like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are flat out race traitors, yet people hang on their every word, while fantastic people like Thomas Sowell are called Uncle Tom and worse...

 

[NKBJ]

Slavery, or to be more comprehensive, inequality is the original sin of the United States. Our country was founded on the premise of all people are equal, and yet, before the ink had dried on the Constitution, that had already been enshrined as false. And again, you have to look at the big picture and competing interests. Our nation would not exist, and the framework to fix those problem would be absent. So I can practically say that I understand, but it was still a bad thing with hope of future good coming from it.

You have to look at the founders. I already did.
Slavery is but a characteristic of the evil half.
End of discussion.

 

[jamil]

To answer your question. No. Silence is not violence. No one should be compelled to speak on things, even if they disagree with them.
Now we are back to what CRT actually teaches. No, White people are not inherently racist. You imply that CRT teaches this. I have also heard this criticism, but again I have not seen this stated within CRT itself. Now sure, I’m confident you can find “someone,” who offers that opinion, but is that generally accepted? I do not believe it is.

Again I think you are reducing what it is to that which seems favorable to your thinking. And of course you could say the same of me. And fair enough. I think we’re not going to be able to discuss this unless we reconcile what it actually is and what it isn’t.

I’ve developed the opinion I have of it from reading some critical race theory thinkers, like Derick Bell. Richard Delgato, and more recent thinkers, Robin DeAngelo and a few others. And from reading critiques of CRT, Like James Lindsey and Helen Pluckrose. I also believe that one often gets the fullest understanding of what people mean, by reconciling what they say they mean, with how they apply it. And the way the today’s CRT academia are applying it, I don’t know how else one can describe it other than how I've described it.

 

[jamil]

Slavery, or to be more comprehensive, inequality is the original sin of the United States. Our country was founded on the premise of all people are equal, and yet, before the ink had dried on the Constitution, that had already been enshrined as false. And again, you have to look at the big picture and competing interests. Our nation would not exist, and the framework to fix those problem would be absent. So I can practically say that I understand, but it was still a bad thing with hope of future good coming from it.

There you go again with the original sin nonsense. I’ve seen that language used by the same folks that push CRT. As I said, it is a sin but it is not analogous to original sin. It’s ideological ********. If you want to discuss this stuff I like intellectually honest discussions. You start throwing ideological dogma into the conversation and I don’t know how this can be a serious discussion.

 

[jamil]

The original sin of the United States started long before slavery, but I guess it is hard to see when you are wearing blinders.

Okay. Let’s just say what we all think the original sin is the US committed. And then justify how it is analogous to “original sin” in theology.

 

[jamil]

Clearly, because filling their heads with ******** for the past 20 years has worked out real well. Why not pile on some more.

CRT = Here’s your non expiring excuse to fail as well as a race of people to blame it on even though race isn’t supposed to matter.

The truth in it is that race did matter. It did disenfranchise and disadvantage Black people. And those disadvantages are generational. But the falacy of the way that’s apied has the effects you said right here.

 

[jamil]

"CRT has its underpinnings in the philosophical writings of Derrick Bell in the 1970s and early 1980s. It was born out of the realization by legal scholars, lawyers, and activists that many of the advances of the civil rights era had stopped and in some circumstances were being reversed."

I fundamentally do not agree with this assessment. Since the 1980s we have had CEO's, Presidents, and Cabinet Members, Heads of State, all come from races other than white, and mostly African American. To teach in school we are failing to embrace the civil rights movement in 2021 is just plain wrong, and a huge lie.

The black lives matter crowd want to have fairness in hiring, and representation in movies, music, tv, sports, and corporate American. If you look at their assumed fairness it would say that 50% of all of these positions are African American, or people of color. Well that's perfect for them, but as of 2019 African Americans represented 13.4% of the population. Of that 13.4% of the population 74% of African American males under the age of 28 were in prison, or unemployed. So if we give 50% plus of all the best positions in American to 13.4% of the population then how is that fair? Let alone racist? The real issue is no one tells the facts. They tell lies. Critical Race Theory will only allow the lies to continue.

80+% of all homicides against an African American is another African American, and of those homicides 51% were people that they knew. 2000+ homicides in Chicago, no one cares. The platform of the leftist ideals are built on non sense that only allows those individuals to enrich themselves with enormous wealth, and power at the expense of the very people they should be helping. Look at the BLM founder under fire now because she purchased 3.4 million in property.

I was in the US Navy. I served with Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Filipinos, Samoans, and I will tell you. We all got along great, and trusted each other with our lives. That was 30 years ago. American is a fantastic place, I love her. All the lies from the media and political, and university elite will never change that. American is not a racist Nation. There is definitely no such thing as "White Privilege".

It’s worth mentioning that Bell applied critical theory” to race and used that as a legal theory. So the origins really go back to decades earlier with the concoction of critical theory in the Frankfort institute.

 

[jamil]

This is not a “My problem with Black People is...” thread. The title is in reference to Slavery in America, which peripheral to CRT. There are plenty of other threads you can place those gripes in.

It’s not really about slavery in America, specifically, either. Given the commentary in the OP it’s more about the continued leveraging of Slavery to accomplish political goals now. A discussion of CRT fits right in with that. If the OP disagrees with that, I’ll stand down on that part of the discussion.

 

[jamil]

Surely you’re not ok with all the figures you stated? Those figures, regardless of the veracity, have no bearing on “Slavery in America.” If you think they do, Im open to being informed.

The statistics are what they are. If you say the status of black people today is what it is because of historical injustices then how is statistics not a valid part of the discussion? And if the statistics listed are not accurate, this would be the place to dispute them.

 

[wtburnette]

It’s not really about slavery in America, specifically, either. Given the commentary in the OP it’s more about the continued leveraging of Slavery to accomplish political goals now. A discussion of CRT fits right in with that. If the OP disagrees with that, I’ll stand down on that part of the discussion.

Nope, exactly in line with my post. Slavery was abolished over 100 years ago. Some aftereffects remain, but to me, it's as much due to victimhood being embraced as anything else. CRT is a good example of this. Instead of letting go of the past and recognizing how far we've come, CRT wants to paint all white people as racist, divide the world up based on race and make a mockery of actually trying to come together as Americans.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nope, exactly in line with my post. Slavery was abolished over 100 years ago. Some aftereffects remain, but to me, it's as much due to victimhood being embraced as anything else. CRT is a good example of this. Instead of letting go of the past and recognizing how far we've come, CRT wants to paint all white people as racist, divide the world up based on race and make a mockery of actually trying to come together as Americans.

Can you please show me where CRT “paints all White people as racist,” or any of the other criticisms made in this thread? It appears to me that CRT is guilty more of hurt people’s feelings than pushing forward a racist narrative that for some reason no one can seem to cite.

 

[phylodog]

The truth in it is that race did matter. It did disenfranchise and disadvantage Black people. And those disadvantages are generational. But the falacy of the way that’s apied has the effects you said right here

Agreed, I’d never try to deny the history of how badly this country treated blacks for way too long. I’m glad those days are gone.

We (all) enjoy more freedoms here than just about anywhere else on the planet. Anyone willing to pull their head out of their ass and act like a responsible adult can succeed here regardless of skin color, religion, sex or sexual orientation. To claim otherwise is not only ******** but attempts to strip away any credit from those who have worked hard and have succeeded.

So these days if you’re white, you’re successful because of white privilege and if you’re black, you’re successful because you were given opportunities above and beyond white privilege via EO policies or you had to work five times harder to get where you are. It’s ******** and serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

Does racism exist? Certainly it does and fortunately racists make up a small fraction of a percent of people in this country. Focusing on the past and searching for excuses accomplishes nothing of value for anyone. I’ll say it again, anyone who wants to act like a mature, responsible adult can make something of themselves in this country.

 

[phylodog]

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[JettaKnight]

This thread is probably the best argument, I've seen, for CRT being taught in schools.

Regardless of where you stand on CRT, I think you're right.

And can anyone really divide what exactly CRT is? Seems like people hates it just because it's the sort of thing that liberals like, so it must be bad.

And the original post here is so very, very... not worth responding to.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

Three things;

1. Slavery was pure evil. Period.
2. I`ve never owned a slave.
3. No one alive today in the United States has ever been a slave.


lets please stop this stupid stuff and move forward together, instead of allowing liberals to keep us at each others throats.

I get your point and generally agree. However, point 3 is not entirely accurate.

Allow me to share this story:

Swarens: Trafficking victim says she was enslaved on Indiana University campus

Tebby Kaisara says a former graduate student held her in modern-day slavery for 18 months on the IU campus in Bloomington.

www.indystar.com

 

[wtburnette]

https://www.faithwire.com/2021/06/1...lUhC-rfSj771wllwP2u2nbGo6_9VXNdOczLyF8IUoGHHM

Well, he's just an Uncle Tom...

 

[wtburnette]

Regardless of where you stand on CRT, I think you're right.

And can anyone really divide what exactly CRT is? Seems like people hates it just because it's the sort of thing that liberals like, so it must be bad.

And the original post here is so very, very... not worth responding to.

Critical race theory is bad because it's complete horse , not because it's just something liberals like. It's evil and it actively promotes racism.

And if the original post was very very not worth responding to, why have so many responded to it?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Critical race theory is bad because it's complete horse , not because it's just something liberals like. It's evil and it actively promotes racism.

And if the original post was very very not worth responding to, why have so many responded to it?

I would like to at least see it from your perspective. Are you able to provide me with actual specifics taught under CRT that makes you believe so? Again, I’ve seen the criticism, but still haven’t yet found anyone to cite where those criticisms are based.

 

[phylodog]

I would like to at least see it from your perspective. Are you able to provide me with actual specifics taught under CRT that makes you believe so? Again, I’ve seen the criticism, but still haven’t yet found anyone to cite where those criticisms are based.

You could always explain why others are wrong about CRT if you feel so strongly of it’s importance.