Live Feed, Patriots at the Capitol

[Tombs]

Welp, looks like I'll vote against hollingsworth.

Creating 2 standards of law in the country goes a step beyond pretty much any other issue at this point.

 

[nonobaddog]

I'm really somewhat surprised and a lot disappointed there aren't a lot of people on the left seeing and saying how wrong this is. They must not have any integrity left.

 

[Tombs]

I'm really somewhat surprised and a lot disappointed there aren't a lot of people on the left seeing and saying how wrong this is. They must not have any integrity left.

When did they have integrity?
The far left has always been an activist belief system. They actually have the right priorities for playing politics to win. Attain political power at any cost before you worry about even having an ideology.

It's kind of a newISH thing to American politics, and that must be why so many people don't comprehend the scale and seriousness of the threat.

 

[KG1]

You know what I see?

I see armed groups of marxists walking the streets, holding up traffic at gunpoint, terrorizing people, committing arsons, taking over areas of cities, destroying hard-working Americans' livelihoods, killing people, all without consequence. I see these groups get support from a large part of our news media, and not insignificant portions of every level of government - from mayors and prosecutors letting them go, to city councils trying to get rid of their police departments so these pieces of garbage can have more free rein. I see legislators paying their bail when the police DO arrest some of them, and when they finally make it to court I see they've got some judges in their pockets too. I see people willingly acting as human shields by marching with the violent marxist rioters as they destroy property and lives. They're called "mostly peaceful", but they know what they're doing. I see leftists calling for lists of people who support Trump, reeducation camps, I even see calls for death.

I see people who try to stand up for themselves and their neighborhoods, or just say something unpopular with the marxist community, have their lives destroyed.

I see a pandemic that was "managed" in such a way as to cause as much economic devastation as possible, and a lot of people still trying to continue it.

I see record numbers of gun sales, ammo shortages, rising food prices, rising energy prices, weak infrastructure that's just ripe for hacking, runaway spending the likes of which I've never seen before. I see good times coming. And that right soon.

I know some here voted for it, but do they really think we'll give up our firearms?

Bingo. Rebuttal anyone? Anyone?...Bueller?....Bueller?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

You love to hammer that particular nail. How do you rate the likelihood if they couldn't have the Capitol protest they would have found something else, especially in light of the latest video showing police inviting the protestors in? I really don't like to think about the depth of indoctrination necessary to get so many Capitol Police to go along with such an agenda, but I'm at a loss to see another explanation. It could certainly be just a few carefully placed officers giving contradictory orders, but the rest would have to close ranks for the cover up and would manifestly be willing to sacrifice honor for job security

See below.

About the latest video showing police inviting protestors in. Were they already in and at that point it's more peaceful to work with them? I don't know. There really wasn't context in the video I saw.

I think one explanation for the fewer alternate explanations on the list, rational alternative explanations decrease as radicalization increases. That could possibly explain it.

It appears from the video they were already in, considering it was filmed in a hallway. I'd say it's quite possible that they decided they were well outnumbered and that the only way to stop them would be to start shooting a bunch of people, which they did end up shooting one(which from the video it appears they weren't letting them in that particular place, but the "protestors" were going to force their way in anyway). And that rather then doing that, when they got notification that the senators were sheltered and had evac plans for them that they decided to let them in and attempt to control the situation peacefully.

Nice retconn

Isn't that exactly what the whole "they let them in" narrative is? Especially in light of all the other videos showing them breaking in, attacking officers, etc?

Welp, looks like I'll vote against hollingsworth.

Creating 2 standards of law in the country goes a step beyond pretty much any other issue at this point.

How exactly is this creating two standards of law?

 

[jamil]

How exactly is this creating two standards of law?

Well, I get that point. I think if all summer long, conservatives were burning, looting, rioting, disturbing peace, blocking traffic, murdering people who oppose them, etcetera, I'm pretty sure Democrats would want a commission tribunal to investigate it.

My own thoughts on it are that there should be some good faith study ending with an objective, non-partisan report of exactly what happened, was it instigated by some group, who was that group, what crimes were committed, how many were actuallly involved in violence, compared to how many were just there. If its purpose was to report on those things, I'd have no problem with it. The public should know, because the press and partisans on both sides have made a lot of claims that are probably not true, and some which are proven not to be true.

But, we can't have nice things. It's impossible to have such a thing without partisanship. I'd kinda like to see Hollingsworth primaried, because he doesn't have the sense he was born with. But I'd not like the person to be a died in the wool Trumper who's only interested in partisan ********.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Well, I get that point. I think if all summer long, conservatives were burning, looting, rioting, disturbing peace, blocking traffic, murdering people who oppose them, etcetera, I'm pretty sure Democrats would want a commission tribunal to investigate it.

My own thoughts on it are that there should be some good faith study ending with an objective, non-partisan report of exactly what happened, was it instigated by some group, who was that group, what crimes were committed, how many were actuallly involved in violence, compared to how many were just there. If its purpose was to report on those things, I'd have no problem with it. The public should know, because the press and partisans on both sides have made a lot of claims that are probably not true, and some which are proven not to be true.

But, we can't have nice things. It's impossible to have such a thing without partisanship. I'd kinda like to see Hollingsworth primaried, because he doesn't have the sense he was born with. But I'd not like the person to be a died in the wool Trumper who's only interested in partisan ********.

I get the point as well. But I disagree because those that were burning/looting/rioting/etc weren't doing it to the Capitol building. If they were I'd just about guarantee there would be a call for probably more than a tribunal to investigate it.

Your second paragraph, I agree with as well.

Hollingsworth? I'm a bit torn. Not saying I don't want him primaried, not saying I do. But as I pointed out in another thread about him, the guy signed his name to the Amicus brief to overturn the election. He's far from a rino or suffering from TDS. He's more a centrist IMO.

 

[jamil]

I get the point as well. But I disagree because those that were burning/looting/rioting/etc weren't doing it to the Capitol building. If they were I'd just about guarantee there would be a call for probably more than a tribunal to investigate it.

Your second paragraph, I agree with as well.

Hollingsworth? I'm a bit torn. Not saying I don't want him primaried, not saying I do. But as I pointed out in another thread about him, the guy signed his name to the Amicus brief to overturn the election. He's far from a rino or suffering from TDS. He's more a centrist IMO.

I dunno. I see him signing his name to the Amicus brief was him trying to signal to voters he's one of "you". But also, that kinda marked him. So this may be him signaling to voters, but I'm not the crazy ones. He doesn't have an easy win district. There are a lot of moderates/Democrats in this district. So I can see where he has to try to appeal more broadly to win. But then that makes him a fake. Much like Braun.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I dunno. I see him signing his name to the Amicus brief was him trying to signal to voters he's one of "you". But also, that kinda marked him. So this may be him signaling to voters, but I'm not the crazy ones. He doesn't have an easy win district. There are a lot of moderates/Democrats in this district. So I can see where he has to try to appeal more broadly to win. But then that makes him a fake. Much like Braun.

That is quite possible.

 

[rooster]

The occupation of the capital is finally coming to an end allegedly....

 

[IndyDave1776]

So you think it's either your way or the alternative is apartheid?

That is what two sets of law will give you.

 

[bwframe]

Indiana Man Arrested for Role in Capitol Riot

WASHINGTON — A Vincennes man was arrested earlier this week in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Jonathan Ace Sanders, Sr. is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds...

www.wibc.com

 

[rooster]

I’ve founded myself wondering more and more the last few years, “are we the bad guys?” (In reference to the US government)

 

[BigRed]

Indiana Man Arrested for Role in Capitol Riot

WASHINGTON — A Vincennes man was arrested earlier this week in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Jonathan Ace Sanders, Sr. is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds...

www.wibc.com

Was he in there before to after CCP officers told folks to come in?

Also, where are the stories on federal investigations into the burn murder loot riots?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Indiana Man Arrested for Role in Capitol Riot

WASHINGTON — A Vincennes man was arrested earlier this week in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Jonathan Ace Sanders, Sr. is charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds...

www.wibc.com

If he was chatting with the police and they didn't order him out, doesn’t the accusation fall apart?

 

[nonobaddog]

If he was chatting with the police and they didn't order him out, doesn’t the accusation fall apart?

That depends on how lying-left the representation, judge and jury are.

 

[bwframe]

If he was chatting with the police and they didn't order him out, doesn’t the accusation fall apart?

I have very mixed feelings about the whole mess. I understand gullible dumbasses, but still think they should have to pay for going where they shouldn't.

Real patriots should have started fighting the ANTIFA thugs off from breaching the capital.

Again though, the situation was fluid and deceptive. I'm sorry so many of "ours" fell for the professional protestor's charade.

All said, the "insurrection" babble is total BS. From the same folks who routinely lie and their media henchmen.

 

[NKBJ]

You know, I got to thinking about this.
Can you imagine what it would be like to see a live feed of the capitol filled with elected patriots?
I'm an old fart but yeah, I'd like to see that.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I have very mixed feelings about the whole mess. I understand gullible dumbasses, but still think they should have to pay for going where they shouldn't.

Real patriots should have started fighting the ANTIFA thugs off from breaching the capital.

Again though, the situation was fluid and deceptive. I'm sorry so many of "ours" fell for the professional protestor's charade.

All said, the "insurrection" babble is total BS. From the same folks who routinely lie and their media henchmen.

No real disagreement although I would be more comfortable with penalties if the same applied to leftists who did far worse rather than the DoJ investigating the local police.

 

[JettaKnight]

I’ve founded myself wondering more and more the last few years, “are we the bad guys?” (In reference to the US government)

If you find yourself in a situation where the commies are defending you...