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    Tombs

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    Maybe your perception isn't quite as real as you think. Have you gone to the town square, rifle in hand, and no one else is there? Maybe it's not time yet.
    Not saying it's time for a revolution, I'm saying simply using the same tactics looks like fair game to me at this point.

    Like I said, if there's a power creep, things can get VERY ugly faster than anyone can possibly imagine.

    At the current pace of things and what I've seen in the past 5 years, prison or execution for not nodding your head with the current political agenda doesn't sound that unlikely to me.
     

    jamil

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    Not saying it's time for a revolution, I'm saying simply using the same tactics looks like fair game to me at this point.

    Like I said, if there's a power creep, things can get VERY ugly faster than anyone can possibly imagine.
    Uh. Just make sure you identify yourself. Maybe join some group or something. With a catchy name. Something that doesn't sound very sane. The insurrection did enough damage to the right.
     

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    Maybe your perception isn't quite as real as you think. Have you gone to the town square, rifle in hand, and no one else is there? Maybe it's not time yet.
    This is what I was trying to get at. I didn’t really expect anyone to answer the rhetorical question that I asked then I get accused of being a fed.
     

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    Speechless.
    Yeah me too. It seems to me that if you’re trying to be rational and don’t go to the extreme side by default then you’re an outsider here any more.
     
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    Tombs

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    Yeah me too. It seems to me that if you’re trying to be rational and don’t go to the extreme side by default then you’re an outsider here any more.

    Just a matter of saying, what do you propose in place of simply learning from the tactics that are winning?
     

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    Uh. Just make sure you identify yourself. Maybe join some group or something. With a catchy name. Something that doesn't sound very sane. The insurrection did enough damage to the right.
    You love to hammer that particular nail. How do you rate the likelihood if they couldn't have the Capitol protest they would have found something else, especially in light of the latest video showing police inviting the protestors in? I really don't like to think about the depth of indoctrination necessary to get so many Capitol Police to go along with such an agenda, but I'm at a loss to see another explanation. It could certainly be just a few carefully placed officers giving contradictory orders, but the rest would have to close ranks for the cover up and would manifestly be willing to sacrifice honor for job security

    Like the stolen
    election, the list of alternate explanations gets shorter and shorter as time goes on an evidence comes to light

    I believe we are well down the road to establishing authoritarian government and you apparently think things will somehow normalize. Which belief is more dangerous if it turns out to be wrong?
     

    jamil

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    Just a matter of saying, what do you propose in place of simply learning from the tactics that are winning?
    Has it occurred to you that they laid a groundwork that has helped those tactics work? They have the support from all the major institutions. If they didn’t none of their tactics would work any better than yours did at the Capitol. But I suppose you guys still think that was “winning”. :rolleyes:
     
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    I can't find a link, but there was a story on the local news (WTHR) about the family of the Capitol police officer that committed suicide now demanding a congressional investigation into... what? Why their family member was mentally ill? :dunno:
     

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    The difference between left wing and right wing violence.....you can see it coming from the left. I mean how hard is it to expect violence from a large crowd?

    Right wing violence is usually planned in the basement and carried out like a surprise attack.
    Like shooting congressional baseball games?

    Or going to a theater and shooting up the place during a screening of Batman?

    There are crazies in the world, political parties don’t really define that. However, when a particular parties leadership makes its voters feel emboldened when they’re committing acts of violence it makes you begin to question the leaders intentions. The voters are just clueless morons, the real criminals are those encouraging it for an agenda.
     

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    I can't find a link, but there was a story on the local news (WTHR) about the family of the Capitol police officer that committed suicide now demanding a congressional investigation into... what? Why their family member was mentally ill? :dunno:
    I’d reply back with “your family members death was investigated and found to be caused by Covid-19”


    These people
     

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    Just a matter of saying, what do you propose in place of simply learning from the tactics that are winning?
    You don’t really wanna have a discussion with a “fed” It could be a trap. Trust me I’m more in line with most here on the issues that all of us are facing concerning the path that we seem to be heading. Some day it may come to a head. Until then I won’t play my hand either. The bulk of my past posting history bears that out and I’ll just take my leave.
     
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    You love to hammer that particular nail. How do you rate the likelihood if they couldn't have the Capitol protest they would have found something else, especially in light of the latest video showing police inviting the protestors in? I really don't like to think about the depth of indoctrination necessary to get so many Capitol Police to go along with such an agenda, but I'm at a loss to see another explanation. It could certainly be just a few carefully placed officers giving contradictory orders, but the rest would have to close ranks for the cover up and would manifestly be willing to sacrifice honor for job security

    Like the stolen
    election, the list of alternate explanations gets shorter and shorter as time goes on an evidence comes to light

    I believe we are well down the road to establishing authoritarian government and you apparently think things will somehow normalize. Which belief is more dangerous if it turns out to be wrong?
    Okay. Let me get this straight. You think that if you guys hadn't stormed the Capitol, and tried to force people to listen to you, hunt down Pence and, Idunno, string him up or whatever it was they had in store for him, that the powers that be would have duped you into some other insane event to blame on the right. That's your argument?

    About the latest video showing police inviting protestors in. Were they already in and at that point it's more peaceful to work with them? I don't know. There really wasn't context in the video I saw.

    I think one explanation for the fewer alternate explanations on the list, rational alternative explanations decrease as radicalization increases. That could possibly explain it.
     

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    Like shooting congressional baseball games?

    Or going to a theater and shooting up the place during a screening of Batman?

    There are crazies in the world, political parties don’t really define that. However, when a particular parties leadership makes its voters feel emboldened when they’re committing acts of violence it makes you begin to question the leaders intentions. The voters are just clueless morons, the real criminals are those encouraging it for an agenda.
    I can't believe you'd talk about Trump and his extremist supporters like that here. People are gonna want you banned.
     

    jbombelli

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    You know what I see?

    I see armed groups of marxists walking the streets, holding up traffic at gunpoint, terrorizing people, committing arsons, taking over areas of cities, destroying hard-working Americans' livelihoods, killing people, all without consequence. I see these groups get support from a large part of our news media, and not insignificant portions of every level of government - from mayors and prosecutors letting them go, to city councils trying to get rid of their police departments so these pieces of garbage can have more free rein. I see legislators paying their bail when the police DO arrest some of them, and when they finally make it to court I see they've got some judges in their pockets too. I see people willingly acting as human shields by marching with the violent marxist rioters as they destroy property and lives. They're called "mostly peaceful", but they know what they're doing. I see leftists calling for lists of people who support Trump, reeducation camps, I even see calls for death.

    I see people who try to stand up for themselves and their neighborhoods, or just say something unpopular with the marxist community, have their lives destroyed.

    I see a pandemic that was "managed" in such a way as to cause as much economic devastation as possible, and a lot of people still trying to continue it.

    I see record numbers of gun sales, ammo shortages, rising food prices, rising energy prices, weak infrastructure that's just ripe for hacking, runaway spending the likes of which I've never seen before. I see good times coming. And that right soon.

    I know some here voted for it, but do they really think we'll give up our firearms?
     
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    BugI02

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    Okay. Let me get this straight. You think that if you guys hadn't stormed the Capitol, and tried to force people to listen to you, hunt down Pence and, Idunno, string him up or whatever it was they had in store for him, that the powers that be would have duped you into some other insane event to blame on the right. That's your argument?
    You know better. They certainly could have used some nutter like the guy that supposedly mailed (dummy) bombs to Democrats to provide the excuse for cracking down on the opposition. The point I was making is that the capitol protest was convenient but by no means necessary. The way they jumped on that, which they could not have known was coming unless you are willing to admit they deliberately ignored intel for the purpose of potentially creating an incident, should tell you any sort of incident would have sufficed
    About the latest video showing police inviting protestors in. Were they already in and at that point it's more peaceful to work with them? I don't know. There really wasn't context in the video I saw.
    Nice retconn
    I think one explanation for the fewer alternate explanations on the list, rational alternative explanations decrease as radicalization increases. That could possibly explain it.
    But you're not radicalized. You are the self-proclaimed soul of reason, thus you should have many, or at least a few, alternate explanations on the continuum that only you can see. Do enlighten us
     

    BugI02

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    You know what I see?

    I see armed groups of marxists walking the streets, holding up traffic at gunpoint, terrorizing people, committing arsons, taking over areas of cities, destroying hard-working Americans' livelihoods, killing people, all without consequence. I see these groups get support from a large part of our news media, and not insignificant portions of every level of government - from mayors and prosecutors letting them go, to city councils trying to get rid of their police departments so these pieces of garbage can have more free rein. I see legislators paying their bail when the police DO arrest some of them, and when they finally make it to court I see they've got some judges in their pockets too. I see people willingly acting as human shields by marching with the violent marxist rioters as they destroy property and lives. They're called "mostly peaceful", but they know what they're doing. I see leftists calling for lists of people who support Trump, reeducation camps, I even see calls for death.

    I see people who try to stand up for themselves and their neighborhoods, or just say something unpopular with the marxist community, have their lives destroyed.

    I see a pandemic that was "managed" in such a way as to cause as much economic devastation as possible, and a lot of people still trying to continue it.

    I see record numbers of gun sales, ammo shortages, rising food prices, rising energy prices, weak infrastructure that's just ripe for hacking, runaway spending the likes of which I've never seen before. I see good times coming. And that right soon.

    I know some here voted for it, but do they really think we'll give up our firearms?
    Wahrheit macht frei
     
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