OK finger gesture on AR magazines

[Liberty Sanders]

Hmmm...I wonder if I can buy some "ok" stickers to add to my mags?

 

[Aggar]

This is a new one for me as well. Supposedly, when you make the Ok sign, your three fingers make a W, and your other finger and thumb make a P. Congratulations, you're now a racist.

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

Am I the only one that remembers the grammar/high school game when you'd make that symbol and try to get someone to look and when they did, you punched them twice in the shoulder? Of course there were rules... the symbol had to be below the waist, you couldn't use props... The white supremacy "tie-in" is absolutely ridiculous

That's immediately where I went.

Edit: Below the waist rule active!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Couldn't we apply the logic applied to the ok gesture the same way we apply it to roman salute?

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

How about magazines with GFY* and MYOFB* logos? I would buy some of those...

Oh, and GTFOH*. *with all due respect

Or the special AOC portrait edition.

NSFW!

+1 for ETADIK

 

[Cameramonkey]

It is certainly used by everyone in a variety of contexts, but what would be the reason it's on an AR mag? Not obvious to me that it has a positive interpretation.

To give two middle fingers to those that try to make the gesture something it isnt. That is the point of it.


"YoU cAnT mAkE ThAt SiGn, iTs RAAAAAACIST!"
Oh yeah? GFY *makes sign anyway just to **** them off*

 

[Kutnupe14]

Am I the only one that remembers the grammar/high school game when you'd make that symbol and try to get someone to look and when they did, you punched them twice in the shoulder? Of course there were rules... the symbol had to be below the waist, you couldn't use props... The white supremacy "tie-in" is absolutely ridiculous

I remember it too. Are people playing that game being accused of being WS? I haven't seen an example of where someone was accused of being a racist for using that symbol, and their response was "I was playing a game." Truth is, that game fell out of widespread favor years ago. You'd see people play it from time to time, but you rarely see it anymore. Once the left villainized the gesture, it was adopted by two groups... those who simple want to **** off people on the left, and those who are actually racists. And while the former might not actually be racists, they understand that the gesture will be considered racist in their eyes. It's not as innocuous as some would have you believe. If someone asks how you are, and you flash them the "ok" gesture, no one but the most rabid leftist is going to have an issue with it; but when you're in a picture posing with the intent to make that gesture a focus, then people are going to question you intent.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

I hope the leftists and their lap dogs in the media don't label the middle finger racist or I won't have a chance.

It'll take em years to figure the sideways/equestrian style

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

I remember it too. Are people playing that game being accused of being WS? I haven't seen an example of where someone was accused of being a racist for using that symbol, and their response was "I was playing a game." Truth is, that game fell out of widespread favor years ago. You'd see people play it from time to time, but you rarely see it anymore. Once the left villainized the gesture, it was adopted by two groups... those who simple want to **** off people on the left, and those who are actually racists. And while the former might not actually be racists, they understand that the gesture will be considered racist in their eyes. It's not as innocuous as some would have you believe. If someone asks how you are, and you flash them the "ok" gesture, no one but the most rabid leftist is going to have an issue with it; but when you're in a picture posing with the intent to make that gesture a focus, then people are going to question you intent.

What's in a Hand Symbol? Outrage and Controversy at the Army-Navy Game

It's not unusual to see a certain level of "buffoonery" in the stands, and the Army-Navy game is no different than any other.

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In what has become an annual tradition in our family, my spouse and I joined friends on Saturday for an afternoon of food, fun, and football: the Army-Navy game. The rivalry is good-spirited, and the football has, as of late, made for some memorable moments. Despite being an Army family with deep connections to West Point, our son-in-law is a graduate of the Naval Academy, so the game presents a great opportunity to gather and celebrate. What I didn't expect to come from the game was controversy, yet that's exactly where we find ourselves today.

It's not unusual to see a certain level of "buffoonery" in the stands during a sporting event, and the Army-Navy game is no different than any other. Cadets and midshipmen are notoriously fanatical about their respective teams, but still manage to find the time and opportunity to remind viewers that they are still college students capable of making the same questionable decisions as their peers at other institutions. Saturday's game was no exception.


With cameras rolling, the pre-game broadcast caught members of both academies displaying hand symbols that, depending on your perspective, could be interpreted as either the "okay" sign, the "circle game," or a symbol representing white supremacy. I watched their antics with what bordered on a Red Foreman-ish level of annoyance -- someone pointing a camera at you does not have to be an invitation to act like you're twelve years old. I recognized what they were doing, having been the victim of the circle game -- "Hey, is this yours?" -- more times than I can count.

But not everyone sees the same thing. A good number of people immediately interpreted it as a "white power" symbol -- the result of the 2017 4chan hoax that was so effective it took on a life of its own, evolving from a hoax to "troll the libs" into a widely-used hand gesture among white supremacists. As a result, the Anti-Defamation League warns people to use particular caution when displaying or interpreting the symbol. That's good advice that is typically ignored when it matters most.

The controversy that erupted was widely reported upon by the press and exploded across social media. By early Sunday morning, there were calls for immediate expulsion of the offending parties, with others raising the stakes to closure of the academies. At worst, these young men were white supremacists who had infiltrated America's premiere military institutions and should be expelled without delay; at best, they were poor exemplars of the values of those institutions and should be expelled without delay. They were quickly decried as racists, fascists, and Nazis. There really wasn't a lot of middle ground. On issues of outrage, the mob mentality rules, and the offending cadets and mids were tried and convicted by the court of public opinion in due course. Trying to inject any semblance of reason into the debate was like taking a midnight swim in the La Brea tar pits -- once you're in, good luck getting out.

This is the very reason why the Anti-Defamation League urges caution. The symbol itself has multiple meanings, spanning American sign language to Hinduism and Buddhism. So many meanings, in fact, that it's necessary to establish context and intent in the course of interpretation. If I see a group of "proud boys" flashing the symbol in a group photo, interpreting the meaning isn't exactly complicated. In the same vein, when I see a politician flashing the symbol at the podium, it's usually safe to say that their meaning is relatively clear.

But such clarity can be elusive at times, and a rush to judgment should be avoided. While there is always a possibility that the cadets and midshipmen involved were flashing "white power" signs before the game, it's far more likely that they were playing a stupid game without considering how easily their actions could be misinterpreted, compounded by the fact they were broadcast to a national audience. Regardless, both institutions will investigate the incidents thoroughly, gathering facts and determining an appropriate course of action. While that might not satisfy the mob's outrage, it's the right thing to do. We can save the tar and feathers for another day.

 

[JettaKnight]

Well.... I'm pretty sure everything is racist:

12 Children's Shows That Blatantly Promote White Supremacy


From the Babylon Bee



Oh, IBTL.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

Or, without a GD overly analytical psychological breakdown of seemingly every situation I'm ever involved in, I (still) just want to play a game where my friends and I punch each other.

F*****g Jesus Roosevelt Christ man. Take some BP meds, and as suggested switch to decaf. Does your mouth(keyboard fingers) ever stop moving?

Better yet, I'll go ahead and say what the majority of this forum wants to: STFU. Take your opinion out on a date and fornicate it. GD I'm done. I'll go ahead and report my post to mods for you. I'm sick of your ****.

 

[churchmouse]

You have absolutely got to be kidding me.

 

[churchmouse]

OK boys and girls.

 

[smittygj]

OK hand sign means something totally different in this part of the world. Check it out on wiki. Don't want to get kicked for cut and paste of something offensive that might get MODS mad at me.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

OK hand sign means something totally different in this part of the world. Check it out on wiki. Don't want to get kicked for cut and paste of something offensive that might get MODS mad at me.

"The sign is considered very insulting in Turkey and in some other Middle Eastern countries – such as Kuwait – where it denotes the evil eye."

8 normal signs and gestures that can be offensive in the Middle East

Many common signs and hand gestures have completely different meanings in different parts of the world due to cultural differences.

stepfeed.com

 

[smittygj]

I've had to learn many things after being posted her for 5 years. I've learned some Arabic, and have learned much about the local culture. I've been exposed to some of the best and the worst, and have learned a lot. Have had some shocking revelations in the different countries I frequent, but have made some lasting friendships, and now, when I need to get a mission done, I know who to call.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, just throwing it out there. Know it does not apply to original post....

 

[ultra...good]

Did Kyle Rittenhouse get busted for making this gesture in public recently? YES.

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Actually, NO. Photographs of him drinking in a bar with known members of the Proud Boys while making the dreaded OK sign have recently been in the news. The media claims that the Proud Boys are white supremacists while it is known that members of the group are people of color. Even more strange that they would accuse Rittenhouse of being a white supremacist even though he has never been known to harm person of color, just people that are as white as he is. That seems a bit odd to me, but it is media driven so, um, ehhhh.

As far as him being busted, he did not do anything to get busted for. I was kind of surprised that being in a bar/drinking was not part of the conditions of his bond, but they were not. I just kind of figured that was always a condition of bond, but what do I know? This did cause the judge to modify the conditions of his bond to include no presence in a bar or drinking/illegal drug use. It also prohibits him from any contact with any KNOWN white supremacists which is kind of a stretch. How do you prove a known white supremacist or even more important, that he knew they are one? Proud Boys definitely do not fit that description if there are people of color among the ranks. right?

 

[JettaKnight]

Sorry, I used the term "busted" loosely.

If it gets you a trip to see the judge, that can loosely be construed as being busted.


And the litmus test for being a WS is a lot lower than harming a person of color.

 

[ultra...good]

DO NOT try and figure out who they are! For the sake of your sanity, do not!

FWIW, that article is from 2014, long before this OK sign kerfuffle.

Yeah, I noticed it is about a 6.5 year old article. But that was LONG before the OK sign BS? 6.5 years is long before? It is about the blink of an eye for me. Apparently trends come and go before I even notice them.

 

[ultra...good]

Sorry, I used the term "busted" loosely.

If it gets you a trip to see the judge, that can loosely be construed as being busted.


And the litmus test for being a WS is a lot lower than harming a person of color.

He did not get to see the judge for this either. Conditions of bond were modified, he signed the form at his lawyers office, no big.

What is the litmus test for being a white supremacist? It changes all the time and trends and all, like I stated.