To Mask or Not to Mask?

[Hatin Since 87]

Back when fouci was saying wearing masks won’t help, I’m in Kroger and I see Bubba coming down the isle pushing a cart with gloved hands, wearing a respirator that looked a lot like a gas mask, goggles on his face, and to round out the ensemble a partially open carried Glock in what appeared to be a paddle holster. Dude looked absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it’s whatever. Point is, I’m pretty sure that guy don’t vote Democrats.

You should’ve said hi, I don’t bite!

 

[jamil]

^^^^^^^^^^ Exactly my thoughts on “medical experts”. Lie to me once, shame on you. Lie to me twice, shame on me. They broke my trust by lying to me about not needing it in the beginning, when they could have just outright told the truth about it. People can use the cop out “well they know more now than they did then”, don’t tell me they didn’t know then how it spreads enough to know if a mask would increase or decrease infection rate. America wasn’t ground zero. This wasn’t the first month after the world got its view of it. Italy and China had already had it pretty bad. If they weren’t expert enough then to make a determination that masks were useful, then they aren’t expert enough now to tell me they are. They broke the trust by their incompetence, not me. If they truly didn’t know, they shouldn’t have said they do know and they didn’t help, cause now I’m skeptical of anything you tell me.


Trust is harder to earn than money. Can’t buy trust.

While I get the argument about trust, and that’s a very valid point, the statement in bold isn’t the best logic. Everyone learns at least something as experience and knowledge grows over time. One’s failure to know all the facts in the earliest stages doesn’t imply no knowledge was gained. It is the dishonesty not the lack of early knowledge that tends to destroy trust in fauci.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

While I get the argument about trust, and that’s a very valid point, the statement in bold isn’t the best logic. Everyone learns at least something as experience and knowledge grows over time. One’s failure to know all the facts in the earliest stages doesn’t imply no knowledge was gained. It is the dishonesty not the lack of early knowledge that tends to destroy trust in fauci.

Understand, but if you don’t know for sure you tend to lean to the side of caution, unless of course you don’t care about the lives of those you’re telling what to do.

 

[Tombs]

While I get the argument about trust, and that’s a very valid point, the statement in bold isn’t the best logic. Everyone learns at least something as experience and knowledge grows over time. One’s failure to know all the facts in the earliest stages doesn’t imply no knowledge was gained. It is the dishonesty not the lack of early knowledge that tends to destroy trust in fauci.

If said authority is supposed to be dispensing life saving information, and they choose to be political with how they deliver said information, nothing they say can ever be trusted again.

If the stunts Facui pulled didn't destroy the "experts" credibility, them praising the riots and encouraging them, while demonizing people for disobeying lock down orders, should have made it pretty clear the only thing they're an expert in is political stunts.

 

[jamil]

If said authority is supposed to be dispensing life saving information, and they choose to be political with how they deliver said information, nothing they say can ever be trusted again.

If the stunts Facui pulled didn't destroy the "experts" credibility, them praising the riots and encouraging them, while demonizing people for disobeying lock down orders, should have made it pretty clear the only thing they're an expert in is political stunts.

Agreed

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So, rice isn’t the anecdote?

I always figured it was their strict gun control laws. We should be just like them.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If said authority is supposed to be dispensing life saving information, and they choose to be political with how they deliver said information, nothing they say can ever be trusted again.

If the stunts Facui pulled didn't destroy the "experts" credibility, them praising the riots and encouraging them, while demonizing people for disobeying lock down orders, should have made it pretty clear the only thing they're an expert in is political stunts.

First, a disclaimer: I don't have the links or the specific events at my finger tips to illustrate what I'm about to say, it's just a general impression or observation. Fauci seems to tell whatever the person interviewing him wants to hear. That is, he tweaks his language to be as cautious or pragmatic as needed to harmonize with the tone of the question(s) and the postilion from which the person asking him is coming from.

 

[singlesix]

Today is the Day and with IMPD not responsible for enforcement of this Mask Mandate I see a lot of the citizens taking matter into their own hands.

Should be some interesting News in the next few days.

 

[flightsimmer]

I am reminded that the virus can enter the body through the membranes of the eyes into the sinuse cavities, so if you cover your eyes we're all in trouble.

 

[churchmouse]

Today is the Day and with IMPD not responsible for enforcement of this Mask Mandate I see a lot of the citizens taking matter into their own hands.

Should be some interesting News in the next few days.

Yeah it will be.

Our Mayor and his group are desk fillers and puppets to the DNC. To not see this is a failure on the mush brains that put him in any office he was in.

 

[chipbennett]

And yet you are saying that the advice from medical 'professionals' on masking has not been subject to revision

Fauci 2.0 just a week after your 60 minutes cite

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/
March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about COVID-19

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

 

[chipbennett]

To the OP: to mask or not to mask?

Here's my stance: if I'm asked to put one on when entering an establishment, I'll do so and not make a scene. Otherwise, I do not wear a mask, because I am not sick.

I'm leaving for CA in about a week for work. CA has a mask mandate. Because I'll be there for work, I'll comply when/where required. Otherwise, when not so required, I will not wear a mask, because I am not sick.

 

[foszoe]

"can do to prevent it AND help our fellow man."

sounds a lot like what you said

All we can? We “can” shut everything down and order everyone to stay home. There’s a lot of things we “can” do. If you are an advocate at all for reopening then you don’t really mean that. I think the standard should be something more like taking reasonable steps to make sure you’re not putting other people at undue risk. That’s the responsible thing to do. Mutual care is a benefit to everyone. But it fails to be that as care becomes overly burdensome. There is a point at which responsibility becomes an unwarranted burden.

Is mask wearing burdensome? Well, yeah, at least a little. Obviously. Even the mask Nazis get caught with it hanging below their noses when people are in close proximity. It is that way because it’s damn hard to breathe with some masks. I wore a N95 mask during grocery trips, and that was physically difficult. I was exhausted afterwards. My dental hygienist has to wear a N95 mask and said she hates having to wear that for long periods. A cloth mask is a bit more comfortable at least. But it’s not an option for everyone.

My point is that it’s fine for you to advocate for wearing masks. For some people it’s not a choice, like the dental hygienist, or other medical professionals who must come into close contact with people. It’s not a fine line between advocacy and mask-shaming though. In your advocacy just stay well south of that line and you’ll be fine. I think you’ve gone over that line a few times here. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with you.

 

[originalhonkey]

i don't wear one in my day to day. not against it if you choose to wear one. im respectful to individuals who ask for there heath reasons. that said im not going to live afraid or made to do anything.

 

[foszoe]

From the same article. Situations evolve.

[FONT=&quot]If that testing shows the virus has slipped into the country in places federal officials don't know about, "we've got a problem," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told USA TODAY's Editorial Board Monday.

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Fauci offered advice for people who want to protect against the "real and present danger" of seasonal flu, which also would protect against the hypothetical danger of coronavirus.


"Wash your hands as frequently as you can. Stay away from crowded places where people are coughing and sneezing. If in fact you are coughing and sneezing, cover your mouth," he says.[FONT=&quot]

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Dr Fauci 1.0 being interviewed about two weeks before your 60 minutes piece. Whoops

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

 

[foszoe]

From the same article

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

But there is another risk to healthy people buying disposable masks as a precaution. The price of face masks is surging, and Prestige Ameritech, the nation's largest surgical mask manufacturer, is now struggling to keep up with the increased demand.


"It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it," Fauci said.

And yet you are saying that the advice from medical 'professionals' on masking has not been subject to revision

Fauci 2.0 just a week after your 60 minutes cite

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/
March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about COVID-19

 

[foszoe]

Who is this "they"? Have we moved on from Fauci?

So how shall we consider their advice when they tell us hydroxychloroquine doesn't work or remdesevir does. If they're willing to lie for some perceived higher purpose, they've burnt down what credibility they had

Who's to say they aren't lying about hydroxychloroquine because they want to save it for themselves - medical professionals and all

 

[foszoe]

Temporal and geographical proximitiy comes into play.

If the virus is in Wuhan, then wearing masks around the world would not really be effective because the likelihood of coming in contact with someone who is contagious is minuscule. Same if it's isolated in Washington State. Having people in Indiana wear masks would be a waste of resources. Once it moves into your neighborhood, it might become a good idea to wear a mask.

He said on one side of his mouth that the public doesn’t need masks. They’re not going to help anyone. Out if the other, medical professionals need masks. Now, if Fouci would have said, yes, masks are effective, but the risks are much higher for people treating people with covid than it is for the general public, so please don’t hoard them all so that these people can do their jobs safely, that would be honest. That’s not what he said.

 

[foszoe]

How do you know you are not sick?

To the OP: to mask or not to mask?

Here's my stance: if I'm asked to put one on when entering an establishment, I'll do so and not make a scene. Otherwise, I do not wear a mask, because I am not sick.

I'm leaving for CA in about a week for work. CA has a mask mandate. Because I'll be there for work, I'll comply when/where required. Otherwise, when not so required, I will not wear a mask, because I am not sick.

 

[chipbennett]

How do you know you are not sick?

Because there is no evidence of sickness.

From a physical standpoint, if I'm not presenting symptoms, then my exhalation is not virus-laden and therefore poses no risk of harm to others.

From a legal standpoint, I enjoy the presumption of health and therefore the presumption of right to act according to my own agency. Anyone who wishes to compel me to act counter to my own agency bears the burden to prove that I pose some risk to others.