9 Killed in Dayton Shooting

[churchmouse]

The nut job that shot Gabby Giffords (?) had a serious history known by all who had contact with him. He had been reported by the college he tried to attend and they showed him the door and called the sheriff. Nut jobs mom worked directly for the Sheriff if memory serves and so LEO was diverted from locking this particular nut down to save people.

It will be an ongoing thing with these last 2 freaks as o what they have put out there.

 

[chipbennett]

This gets into an interesting area. Most everyone on INGO is against "red flag laws", until something like this happens and then we all say, "Why didn't someone report the red flags?"

As usual, the issue isn't a binary. The problem isn't red flag laws, per se. Rather, the issue is red flag laws that do not ensure due process.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So they're digging into the Dayton shooter's social media posts to decide that he was mentally ill, etc. My opinion: It's bull**** tactics. People say things on the internet. People are liars, and edgier, on the internet. Once you're dead, you're all out of context. Text, especially sarcastic text, doesn't translate well. So media-types will read what was said, word for word, and take it 100% at face value. There are such things as sarcastic/hate/ironic retweets... Just because someone RT'd something, doesn't mean they support it.

But that context is gone when you're dead and can't defend yourself. So... No. I don't like pouring through social media to decide what "team" someone was on to attribute a motive. But people will do it, because it scores their tribe points.

God forbid anyone here becomes "famous" enough to have their posts looked at... but you can guarantee your legacy will be a "racist insurrectionist" or some nonsense.

 

[Phase2]

Killer used a short-barrelled rifle? I'm sure he followed all applicable laws...

https://therundownnews.com/2019/08/exclusive-firearms-expert-says-dayton-shooters-weapon-was-illegally-modified/

 

[Kutnupe14]

Killer used a short-barrelled rifle? I'm sure he followed all applicable laws...

https://therundownnews.com/2019/08/...ayton-shooters-weapon-was-illegally-modified/

Looks like a pistol to me with an arm brace... and I'm not even a "firearms expert."

 

[Vigilant]

Looks like a pistol to me with an arm brace... and I'm not even a "firearms expert."

Funny, neither is the “Navy SEAL” they used as an “expert”?

 

[BugI02]

This gets into an interesting area. Most everyone on INGO is against "red flag laws", until something like this happens and then we all say, "Why didn't someone report the red flags?"

We're against red flag laws without iron clad due process protection for the accused. A kind of 'no fly list' for gun ownership where you can't refute the accusations nor appeal your presence on it is the nightmare, as would be it becoming just another tool for confiscation, just at a slower pace

As others mentioned, where were the parents? Were they not informed about why he was suspended from school? Did they think their little angel was just going through a phase and didn't mean it? Is it safe to make that assumption without some proof? Did the lack of resources available for evaluation and trteatment influence their decision? To me it has some of the hallmarks of Parkland because the school system and affiliated LE, if any, did nothing official - and once again existing laws were likely adequate but not allowed to function as designed ​and he was able to purchase the weapons legally

 

[BugI02]

I haven't heard any significant discussion about motive. I assume that means it doesn't fit the anti-Trump, anti-conservative narrative?

Nailed it. They can discern white supremacy in an instant, the motives of martyrs and satan worshipers are subject to a slower and more nuanced analysis

 

[printcraft]

So they're digging into the Dayton shooter's social media posts to decide that he was mentally ill, etc. My opinion: It's bull**** tactics. People say things on the internet. People are liars, and edgier, on the internet. Once you're dead, you're all out of context. Text, especially sarcastic text, doesn't translate well. So media-types will read what was said, word for word, and take it 100% at face value. There are such things as sarcastic/hate/ironic retweets... Just because someone RT'd something, doesn't mean they support it.

But that context is gone when you're dead and can't defend yourself. So... No. I don't like pouring through social media to decide what "team" someone was on to attribute a motive. But people will do it, because it scores their tribe points.

God forbid anyone here becomes "famous" enough to have their posts looked at... but you can guarantee your legacy will be a "racist insurrectionist" or some nonsense.

If people looked at my posts in retrospect they would think I'm really weird. I mean, could you imagine?

 

[STFU]

Killer used a short-barrelled rifle? I'm sure he followed all applicable laws...

https://therundownnews.com/2019/08/...ayton-shooters-weapon-was-illegally-modified/

Let the MSM run with that. At least they are not calling it what it technically is: An AR Pistol.
I would rather that the (already) misinformed MSM focus on the perp did something illegal that to come after our AR pistols?

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Also... in a time of doxxing, false rape claims, general tribal *******ry.... thinking "red flag laws" wouldn't be abused is insanity.

 

[A 7.62 Exodus]

So they're digging into the Dayton shooter's social media posts to decide that he was mentally ill, etc. My opinion: It's bull**** tactics. People say things on the internet. People are liars, and edgier, on the internet. Once you're dead, you're all out of context. Text, especially sarcastic text, doesn't translate well. So media-types will read what was said, word for word, and take it 100% at face value. There are such things as sarcastic/hate/ironic retweets... Just because someone RT'd something, doesn't mean they support it.

But that context is gone when you're dead and can't defend yourself. So... No. I don't like pouring through social media to decide what "team" someone was on to attribute a motive. But people will do it, because it scores their tribe points.

God forbid anyone here becomes "famous" enough to have their posts looked at... but you can guarantee your legacy will be a "racist insurrectionist" or some nonsense.

Not sure I agree this this. At some point, behaviors become a pattern. Were you able to look over this guys twitter account before they nuked it? Every RT was from someone on the far-left, an Antifa member, and various tweets supporting communism/Democratic presidential candidates. I'm not trying to insinuate that this attack was politically motivated, but if the shoe was other the other foot, it would be a pretty safe bet. If the El Paso shooter had a prominent social media account sharing countless posts about how immigrants are a plague of the earth, then shoots up a Walmart full of people with Hispanic heritage, it's almost safe to assume at that point.

Idk, maybe I'm missing your point. At face value, I do agree that people tend to be edgelords on the internet, but I think at some point the "meme" factor gets thrown out the window, and you're actually staring at how someone actually feels.

This brings me to another point. Something about this shooting has really been bugging me. People are trying to write this guy off as some lunatic, which he probably is, but something about this feels too calculated. Here we have a hard leftist, who is constantly sharing posts about gun control, and how fascism has to go, and communism is the best. I have a hunch this guy was trying to go out as a left wing martyr. Think about it, he uses an AR pistol, with a "loophole" brace, multiple 100 round drum mags, and supposedly body armor. All the thing the left says we don't need. What are the odds that this guy donned all this things he hates in an attempt to drum up support to get these things banned? Plus, the shooting happened on the heels of a white nationalist attack. Why not keep the ball rolling, so to speak. Maybe I'm totally reading too much into this, but the whole thing smells fishy to me. Not like "false flag" fishy, but more along the lines of too many coincidences that are leaving me scratching me head.

 

[BugI02]

Killer used a short-barrelled rifle? I'm sure he followed all applicable laws...

https://therundownnews.com/2019/08/...ayton-shooters-weapon-was-illegally-modified/

Pictures of the firearm used. Imagine that. Anyone seen pictures yet of the 'silencer' ostensibly used by the Virginia Beach shooter? Ever wonder why not?

 

[Alpo]

I'm finding it hard to move off the "sister" aspect. Sibling rivalry/disrespect, etc. So, take out sister and all of her friends and anyone nearby must have the same mindset...so take them out too.

It might be as simple as that.

 

[indiucky]

I'm finding it hard to move off the "sister" aspect. Sibling rivalry/disrespect, etc. So, take out sister and all of her friends and anyone nearby must have the same mindset...so take them out too.

It might be as simple as that.

That's the angle I'm seeing.....

 

[Vigilant]

I'm finding it hard to move off the "sister" aspect. Sibling rivalry/disrespect, etc. So, take out sister and all of her friends and anyone nearby must have the same mindset...so take them out too.

It might be as simple as that.

im seeing that too, they came there together, and he shoots up the one particular place she is at, out of many different choices?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I'm finding it hard to move off the "sister" aspect. Sibling rivalry/disrespect, etc. So, take out sister and all of her friends and anyone nearby must have the same mindset...so take them out too.

It might be as simple as that.

Which means potential political affiliations are meaningless., not that that would stop either side from trying to score points on it.

 

[Alpo]

Exactly.

It's Ohio, man.

 

[Dead Duck]

May have been why he picked that bar. He was pissed at his sister.

She probably got caught playing with his doll collection.




The Sister is the reason.
I don't believe in coincidences.