Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[jamil]

I'm 34. Are you implying that since I was 2 during Carter's administration that I can't appreciate what a d-bag he was?

You can read about a machine gun shoot at knob creek or hear people talk about it or watch it in videos but until you've experienced it your appreciation of it is limited by your imagination. But that's okay, I felt exactly as you do when I was 34. No one fully appreciates other's experience until they have it themselves.

Edit: forgot to mention I'm 50ish.

 

[churchmouse]

NO gentlemen, it's because if you are not old enough to have experienced the turmoil and problems that happened between 1976-1980 you don't know that history is getting ready to repeat itself in a far worse way than it did in those 4 years.

Carter was no socialist in sheep's clothing, he dam near single handily ruined this country. He pissed away our military, he made us the laughing stock of the world. Unemployment, inflation and anything else you can think of was bad, worse than today.

Give Obama 4 more years, and he'll tear us apart at the seams and try to put us back together they way he see's fit. Humpty Dumpty did'nt fall off the wall, Obama is going to push him off, scramble the insides and eat it with his dog fetish he acquired when he was younger. He'll then glue us back in the way he see's we should be, and could care less what a wretched mess we are in, with pieces of egg shell missing strewed all over with no care of where they go.

I seen my mother cry at nights working 3 jobs to pay our bills and feed us because the economy was so bad even longtime trucking companies was going under.

This ship will not be righted in a day, it's going to take perseverance and time. It's going to have to happen the same way it was thrust upon us.

Elect candidates, then elect ones just a little more conservative, then a little more, just like the Dems did. The liberals need to be put in a zombie dream land state. Take back what was lost in conservative values one at a time, just as we are with enacting pro gun laws.

Force feed too big of a bite with a candidate, just as radical sweeping pro gun legislation, it produces a gag reflex, the object is to not provoke the gag reflex.

See it how you wish, I am not taking a chance of Obama getting 4 more years to turn this country into his own little experimental play land complete with meal and wage sharing.

When this country gets the appropriate 3rd party conservative candidate, he will be elected. In the meantime I don't want hope and change to become cry and pray.

I was crying at night in those days. A new born to feed, cloth and keep warm and "NO WORK"..............I do not want any more of this for my kids and theirs.
These youngsters (not a slam on you guy's, just a statement) were not there and have no memory's of that time.
Try not to make a lot of sense as it is hard for some to absorb it.
We all see the world through our own experiences and emotions.

 

[hornadylnl]

You can read about a machine gun shoot at knob creek or hear people talk about it or watch it in videos but until you've experienced it your appreciation of it is limited by your imagination. But that's okay, I felt exactly as you do when I was 34. No one fully appreciates other's experience until they have it themselves.

None of us were at Lexington to hear the first shot so we can't really appreciate it.

 

[churchmouse]

None of us were at Lexington to hear the first shot so we can't really appreciate it.

No one is alive that was. There are those among us that have recollection of Carter so please....It is a passing on of real experiences and not made up sound bites to influence folks.

That some of you are in your mid 30's is fine. I see a lot of passion in some and hope that gets channeled into positive change for this country. The sound bite crap is irritating.

 

[hornadylnl]

No one is alive that was. There are those among us that have recollection of Carter so please....It is a passing on of real experiences and not made up sound bites to influence folks.

That some of you are in your mid 30's is fine. I see a lot of passion in some and hope that gets channeled into positive change for this country. The sound bite crap is irritating.

I was born in 76 and rarely heard any complaints from my parents about that time. Your experience wasn't everbodys. Why are your experiences any worse than those who couldn't find work in the last few years?

My vote this year isn't about my "emotions".

 

[jamil]

None of us were at Lexington to hear the first shot so we can't really appreciate it.

Exactly. You can appreciate it only to the extent of your imagination, from what you read, including any biases from authors who may or may not have been there. Did it happen exactly the way history books say? As close as we can tell, but we weren't there.

 

[hornadylnl]

Exactly. You can appreciate it only to the extent of your imagination, from what you read, including any biases from authors who may or may not have been there. Did it happen exactly the way history books say? As close as we can tell, but we weren't there.

Great, we weren't there so we can't have an opinion or it isn't worth much. I'll just get in the back of the republican bus where I belong.

Who is John Galt?

 

[jeremy]

You can read about a machine gun shoot at knob creek or hear people talk about it or watch it in videos but until you've experienced it your appreciation of it is limited by your imagination. But that's okay, I felt exactly as you do when I was 34. No one fully appreciates other's experience until they have it themselves.

Edit: forgot to mention I'm 50ish.

It is History, neat thing about it being written down for future ages to use as a learning tool (hopefully). It is not a physical experience that one must learn to truly appreciate the event...

 

[jamil]

Great, we weren't there so we can't have an opinion or it isn't worth much. I'll just get in the back of the republican bus where I belong.

Who is John Galt?

Wow, did I say that? I thought I said that you can only appreciate it to the extent of your imagination. You can certainly base your opinions on that. I love history and especially Civil War history. I've certainly obtained an opinion on that even though I can only experience it through recources available today. Would I form that exact opinion if were there? Probably, but since I only have today's resources which mostly can only frame the events, that's as sure as I can get.

 

[jamil]

It is History, neat thing about it being written down for future ages to use as a learning tool (hopefully). It is not a physical experience that one must learn to truly appreciate the event...

True but one thing I've learned from actually experiencing some events I've read about is that the author gets to frame the narrative and sometimes it's really what happened and sometimes not.

 

[churchmouse]

Wow, did I say that? I thought I said that you can only appreciate it to the extent of your imagination. You can certainly base your opinions on that. I love history and especially Civil War history. I've certainly obtained an opinion on that even though I can only experience it through recources available today. Would I form that exact opinion if were there? Probably, but since I only have today's resources which mostly can only frame the events, that's as sure as I can get.

No, you did not...it is a complete waste of time to make logical sense to this guy. He stirs the pot and just posts to incite riot.


My experiences were not to compare to anyone else's. Do you remember everything from being young. By 76 the wounds were healing and folks were moving on. Most everyone I knew was in financial trouble at that time. I am fully aware of the struggles some are having right now. You are a sound bite. You twist and turn and make no positive offering to any statement being made no matter how much sense it makes to the majority. No one told you to get on a bus or how to vote. Your mind is made up, vote the way you want but get the hell over yourself. End of rant..............again

 

[Classic Liberal]

I second that.

 

[tr1gg3r]

A third party vote is a win-win for me. I am only 26. If my vote for Gary Johnson is in fact a vote for Obama, the 2027 date keeps getting pushed closer and closer. If I am lucky, it ends up at 2015-2016 and the big button gets pushed before/when I am 30. It would also mean that the collapse of a once great nation would fall solely on Obama.

If my vote for Gary Johnson is in fact a vote for Gary Johnson, then I voted for a man that I believed would represent me.

The fact of the matter is that our GDP is now lower than our national debt. Romney doesn't seem to care about it; Obama certainly doesn't. For those of you who want to avoid the iceberg, I have news. It ain't going to happen. We hit it. By intersecting those numbers, we went nose first into the iceberg. The only question remaining now is: How fast will this baby go down?

The only way that sinking could possibly be avoided would be to cut spending at an absurd rate. At this point, all the welfare queens would revolt, and we would have the welfare apocalypse on our hands.

A vote for either of the two major parties is a vote for kicking the can down the road. I am not convinced that there is much of a speed difference between the two. The big banks and corporations control both of them.

Finally, the only way for Indiana to avoid most of this is to listen to J_Wales. Not an ideal situation, but we would at least have some control over our destiny.

Insert purple where you deem necessary. I wish this were a big joke, but I am afraid that it hits closer to home than most of you seem to realize.

 

[jamil]

Yeah, when I was 26 I thought the sky was falling too. Difference now is, it really is falling.

 

[Classic Liberal]

Yeah, when I was 26 I thought the sky was falling too. Difference now is, it really is falling.

Perception...obviously some are better at it than others.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

If there were a serious third party candidate that I could support that had a chance of defeating the candidate I despise I would vote for them. But there aren't any. Third parties, and by extension their candidates, are nothing more than spoilers. They pick off voters from the fringes of the political spectrums. Without Perot you wouldn't have had Clinton. Without Nader we'd have had Gore. They aren't serious candidates, but dyed-in-the-wool libertarians don't want serious candidates, they want the perfect candidate.

The perfect candidate is unelectable, so we sacrifice good for great and get bad. Many are OK with that. I'm not. I'll go into the booth, hold my nose, and push the button for the guy that can defeat the guy who scares me. That's not supporting statism. It's slowing the decline into communism and dictatorship, which IMHO we already have one foot in.

 

[jamil]

If there were a serious third party candidate that I could support that had a chance of defeating the candidate I despise I would vote for them. But there aren't any. Third parties, and by extension their candidates, are nothing more than spoilers. They pick off voters from the fringes of the political spectrums. Without Perot you wouldn't have had Clinton. Without Nader we'd have had Gore. They aren't serious candidates, but dyed-in-the-wool libertarians don't want serious candidates, they want the perfect candidate.

The perfect candidate is unelectable, so we sacrifice good for great and get bad. Many are OK with that. I'm not. I'll go into the booth, hold my nose, and push the button for the guy that can defeat the guy who scares me. That's not supporting statism. It's slowing the decline into communism and dictatorship, which IMHO we already have one foot in.

^^^Exactly this.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

If there were a serious third party candidate that I could support that had a chance of defeating the candidate I despise I would vote for them. But there aren't any.

I guess this is perception also ..... I wont vote for Romney because i dont think he has a chance at beating Obama, so should i just vote for Obama?

 

[Classic Liberal]

If there were a serious third party candidate that I could support that had a chance of defeating the candidate I despise I would vote for them. But there aren't any. Third parties, and by extension their candidates, are nothing more than spoilers. They pick off voters from the fringes of the political spectrums. Without Perot you wouldn't have had Clinton. Without Nader we'd have had Gore. They aren't serious candidates, but dyed-in-the-wool libertarians don't want serious candidates, they want the perfect candidate.

The perfect candidate is unelectable, so we sacrifice good for great and get bad. Many are OK with that. I'm not. I'll go into the booth, hold my nose, and push the button for the guy that can defeat the guy who scares me. That's not supporting statism. It's slowing the decline into communism and dictatorship, which IMHO we already have one foot in.

If you looked up disingenuous...this statement would be used as an example.

 

[KG1]

No, you did not...it is a complete waste of time to make logical sense to this guy. He stirs the pot and just posts to incite riot.


My experiences were not to compare to anyone else's. Do you remember everything from being young. By 76 the wounds were healing and folks were moving on. Most everyone I knew was in financial trouble at that time. I am fully aware of the struggles some are having right now. You are a sound bite. You twist and turn and make no positive offering to any statement being made no matter how much sense it makes to the majority. No one told you to get on a bus or how to vote. Your mind is made up, vote the way you want but get the hell over yourself. End of rant..............again

Some of us have come to this realization and have already given up trying. I'm glad to see you have arrived.