Just how is this to be accomplished? Why are individuals responsible for someone else's behavior? Does this apply to other groups?But a majority of cyclists do, and until cyclists hold other cyclists accountable, there will never be a bridge between the groups.
Yes. Do we not continually discuss, advocate for, and teach firearm safety? We condemn those who do stupid things and try to educate new gun owners the correct way to do things, for safety, and to ensure we are not giving a bad image to those on the fence about guns. Why would cyclists not want the same for their community?Just how is this to be accomplished? Why are individuals responsible for someone else's behavior? Does this apply to other groups?
There are plenty of bicycle advocacy groups. You stated the cyclists should hold other cyclists accountable. I'm asking how. Talking safety isn't holding anyone accountable. Advocating for something isn't accountability.Yes. Do we not continually discuss, advocate for, and teach firearm safety? We condemn those who do stupid things and try to educate new gun owners the correct way to do things, for safety, and to ensure we are not giving a bad image to those on the fence about guns. Why would cyclists not want the same for their community?
I literally just explained it. Just like when members of the firearm community does something stupid how we call them out and teach them the right way to do something. If youre riding and see a cyclists run a stop sign, tell them how stupid it is and how it ruins the image for all the ones doing it correctly.There are plenty of bicycle advocacy groups. You stated the cyclists should hold other cyclists accountable. I'm asking how. Talking safety isn't holding anyone accountable. Advocating for something isn't accountability.
Perhaps a few of these on the road, brothers rolling coal on brothers.There are plenty of bicycle advocacy groups. You stated the cyclists should hold other cyclists accountable. I'm asking how. Talking safety isn't holding anyone accountable. Advocating for something isn't accountability.
Would you expect anything less from Vegans of the Road?Y'all are just wound too tight.
This is why we can all hate drivers, too.This is why I hate cyclists.
Well, young frat boys are an entirely separate social/legal problem. (see the documentary, Animal House)The Bloomington hate comes from so many of them ignoring traffic laws.
You need to get out more, you live in a bubble if this is true. Sure maybe in the confines of a gun club, but guess what? The same thing happens in bike groups or clubs! Just like at gun clubs there will be those that no matter how much we try they are dangerous and we work it out that they are not welcome back, there will be others we tolerate but keep an eye on because they will do something dangerous if not watched.I literally just explained it. Just like when members of the firearm community does something stupid how we call them out and teach them the right way to do something.
Amen.Most people only think about what they know. I know people that ride 10,000 plus miles per year, they do not even own a car. I know folks that have routes they ride often that are 100-150 miles a day, hard to ride that in a park or get to work.
Actually gun folks and many cyclists have a lot in common, their bicycles are quite similar to guns that folks tinker with, swap parts, or tune up to run better.
I have mostly quit road riding since the proliferation of texting and because of unhinged bicycle haters on the road. Haters every bit as unhinged as that person calling the cops because they saw your gun when you bent over to get something of the shelf at a store…
Despite multiple times of me asking, I don't believe I've ever managed to get a single example from you of something that you would consider rude behavior on the road by a cyclist. Please do correct me if I missed it.You need to get out more, you live in a bubble if this is true. Sure maybe in the confines of a gun club, but guess what? The same thing happens in bike groups or clubs! Just like at gun clubs there will be those that no matter how much we try they are dangerous and we work it out that they are not welcome back, there will be others we tolerate but keep an eye on because they will do something dangerous if not watched.
Now when the anti’s are trying to take guns, even if a gun owner does something stupid we do not join them in trying to take guns, and we certainly don’t join them in bashing gun owners in general.
I suspect the majority of anti-bicycling people are not even in shape to ride a bike.
An interesting connection of cyclists to gun owners is that the same meticulous nature that drives the high level INGO members to the best mods and upgrades of their guns, the learning how to do it yourself, and a near obsession with perfection are a common ground with many high level cyclists.
But alas those that understand that certain gear has logical reasons for shooters cannot seem to fathom the same applies to cycling. I bet a lot of you think it is ok to shoot or bicycle in flip flops…
Yep, you don’t have the open mind you claim because even when clearly laid out you cannot even see the point. I said:Despite multiple times of me asking, I don't believe I've ever managed to get a single example from you of something that you would consider rude behavior on the road by a cyclist. Please do correct me if I missed it.
On the other hand, I see threads almost daily on INGO about gun owners doing such and such stupid thing, and they are routinely mocked without anyone making excuses for them. See this thread that just popped up:
Bloomington Man (instead of Florida Man)
https://bloomingtonian.com/2024/03/19/man-injures-hand-in-accidental-shooting-at-rural-king/www.indianagunowners.com
So no, these two communities (cyclists/gun owners) are not the same.
I really don't get this logic. You claim that I'm not seeing your point because I'm not open-minded, but honestly, I just really can't grasp what you're saying.Yep, you don’t have the open mind you claim because even when clearly laid out you cannot even see the point. I said:
“Now when the anti’s are trying to take guns, even if a gun owner does something stupid we do not join them in trying to take guns, and we certainly don’t join them in bashing gun owners in general.”
INGO is “in the clubhouse” to most here, this is pro-gun space for all gun talk. There sometimes is dissent here too. This is not the bike club forum, there you will find similar discussions of bad bike behavior (at least when I participated regularly) and if anti-gun came up I argued it just as vociferously. You know, crap like “I know it’s legal to carry a gun on a bike but…” often the exact same sentence structure as used here to say bikes shouldn’t be on the road.
I can tell you one thing, I will not join the bashing of gun owners in a bike forum and will not bash bicyclists in a gun forum, but I will argue with the a-holes on both forums…
This is why we can all hate drivers, too.
Face it; we humans suck. We point fingers of blame at everybody but ourselves for all the nasty stuff we do to each other. We blame politicians or God or both for failing to keep a tighter leash on us.
Sigh...
What problem of mine have I articulated here? How much nonsense are you going to project onto me in this thread?Did you miss the posted phone pic? Maybe review post #1665. It shows oncoming traffic is quite light, which makes sense if people use that road to connect with the interstate. Most traffic is probably heading toward that intersection at rush hour
But do keep avoiding any solution to your 'problem' that doesn't involve self-righteous indignation
This is my stance. So, why do you keep trying to - incorrectly - place me in the other stance?That's because this is another one of those divides that can't be bridged
One side believes - correctly - that cyclists have a perfectly legal right to be on any non-prohibited road they desire and that the state has so far not seen fit to require licensing or license plates or insurance to exercise that right
The other side believes that because said cyclists are doing something they disapprove of it should be made illegal or at least made more expensive to perhaps discourage participation and assuage their hurt feels
I see no middle ground, but it's like Trump hate threads. Posts hating on cyclists, just like posts hating on Trump, will be answered in kind - so it just drags on and on. It is highly likely no one's mind is changed
Part of the problem is you have unrealistic standards, and you do make excuses for your own groupDespite multiple times of me asking, I don't believe I've ever managed to get a single example from you of something that you would consider rude behavior on the road by a cyclist. Please do correct me if I missed it.
On the other hand, I see threads almost daily on INGO about gun owners doing such and such stupid thing, and they are routinely mocked without anyone making excuses for them. See this thread that just popped up:
Bloomington Man (instead of Florida Man)
https://bloomingtonian.com/2024/03/19/man-injures-hand-in-accidental-shooting-at-rural-king/www.indianagunowners.com
So no, these two communities (cyclists/gun owners) are not the same.
You basically seem to be making the argument that since most of INGO is [pro-automobile], you have therefore adopted a policy of refusing to admit that any [motorist] can ever engage in rude behavior; of defending all [motorists] of any type and making up excuses for any behavior, no matter how egregious, and refusing to acknowledge any limits on what [motorists] should be allowed to do. Up to and including saying you think [motorists] should be given a pass when they ignore traffic laws.