What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[Ramyankee42]

Its a number of things, but most notably, It’s an organization and a movement. The two aren’t necessarily related, but may have overlap. One can support the movement without supporting the organization, but not vice versa.

I hope they can get better organized with a clearer mission and actual obtainable goals that are reasonable.

 

[maxipum]

Well I hope they all drive off a ****ing cliff, to hell with them.

 

[maxipum]

There is absolutely nothing reasonable about these sad excuses for humans.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I hope they can get better organized with a clearer mission and actual obtainable goals that are reasonable.

The goal of the organization is to tear down the entire capitalist system and government and install their own socialist "utopia". The organization hasn't been about "race" for a long time, if it ever was. They are using BLM the "movement" as cover (the term "useful idiots" applies - and I mean that that's how BLM the organization views BLM the movement).

 

[KLB]

The goal of the organization is to tear down the entire capitalist system and government and install their own socialist "utopia". The organization hasn't been about "race" for a long time, if it ever was. They are using BLM the "movement" as cover (the term "useful idiots" applies - and I mean that that's how BLM the organization views BLM the movement).

Not exactly true. In their utopia race would be one of the determining factors in which animals were more equal than the others.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The goal of the organization is to tear down the entire capitalist system and government and install their own socialist "utopia". The organization hasn't been about "race" for a long time, if it ever was. They are using BLM the "movement" as cover (the term "useful idiots" applies - and I mean that that's how BLM the organization views BLM the movement).

The movement exited before the organization, so I'd defer to he idea that "BLM" was co-op'ed, rather than them being "useful idiots."

 

[DoggyDaddy]

The movement exited before the organization, so I'd defer to he idea that "BLM" was co-op'ed, rather than them being "useful idiots."

It's not clear to me that they have exited though. Seems like they're still being used (by the organization) as cover. If the organization were honest, they would change their name.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It's not clear to me that they have exited though. Seems like they're still being used (by the organization) as cover. If the organization were honest, they would change their name.

Typo. I meant existed. But yeah you do have a point. They do use the movement for cover.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Typo. I meant existed. But yeah you do have a point. They do use the movement for cover.

Ah okay. Yep, agreed on both counts.

 

[jamil]

The movement exited before the organization, so I'd defer to he idea that "BLM" was co-op'ed, rather than them being "useful idiots."

Eh, I'm not sure that's exactly true. I take a more critical view of its founding because of the nature of far Left activism. Alicia Garza, the one who created the hashtag, is a lifelong far Left activist. I kinda think it was at least a little more planned out than just accidentally stumbled upon, and gaining growth organically. It's possible that it happened just as Garza claimed it did. Sitting in a bar watching her phone for information on the trial. Then she tweets out the hashtag. Boom! It grows from there. But, activists being activists, I think they capitalized on it too for their own activism.

I suspect that was the goal and Trayvon Martin was just a catalyst for the newly discovered catchphrase. And similarly, much like Floyd was the catalyst for the violence perpetrated by BLM and Antifa. The words themselves hare harmless. Black lives do matter. But it's come to mean so much more than that that isn't harmless. And the founders of BLM helped that along too, using their activism and training in "organizing".

 

[Alpo]

I think they've done a remarkable job. They've set back race relations by a generation.

 

[jamil]

I think they've done more than that. They've normalized Marxist thinking to the masses by attaching positive identity to it. They've de-normalized Western values to the masses by attaching negative identity to that.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think they've done a remarkable job. They've set back race relations by a generation.

Really? Which generation would that be? I think they’ve forwarded the discussion for something that has never really been addressed. That’s not to say it’s positive or negative, just that there’s a perceived problem that now seems to actually leading to some difficult discussions.

 

[Alpo]

Generation in terms of years. 20 or 25 years. I see the riots moving a lot of people who thought they were racially tolerant back into the wariness of blacks that was more prevalent in the 20th century. Trust has dimished rather than improved as a result of #BLM.

If the primary purpose of the demonstrations was police reform, that goal is no closer to being reached than it was in 2019. Perhaps there are fewer stops today, but do you seriously think attitudes have changed in law enforcement?

Civilians are more fearful of blacks as a result of the riots. Gun purchases are up.

I could go on, but that's the short list.

 

[jamil]

I think we're talking about two things that are true at the same time. The protests have netted some decisions that I think are beneficial. No-knock raids are kinda bad. There is some police behavior that needs to be addressed. I found out through the Breonna Taylor stuff that there's a sort of ethos of *******s in LMPD.

The other thing that is true is that it has set back race relations. People are being targeted by some Black people because they're white. And that is making people afraid of them. My wife had a very uncomfortable encounter with a Black person the other day, which I won't go into specifics, but it was obvious the person believed the rhetoric from BLM that all white people are inherently racists. That kind of thing has an impact on people. It also doesn't help that we're being told that being color blind is actually being racist.

So yes, there were some things gained for black people in all this, but at a fairly large cost.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Generation in terms of years. 20 or 25 years. I see the riots moving a lot of people who thought they were racially tolerant back into the wariness of blacks that was more prevalent in the 20th century. Trust has dimished rather than improved as a result of #BLM.

If the primary purpose of the demonstrations was police reform, that goal is no closer to being reached than it was in 2019. Perhaps there are fewer stops today, but do you seriously think attitudes have changed in law enforcement?

Civilians are more fearful of blacks as a result of the riots. Gun purchases are up.

I could go on, but that's the short list.

Exactly! Are you like that? Do you trust Black less because of the riots, than you did before? If that describes you, then you still have room for growth. If not, then you understand the problem with the part I bolded. If one were to ask me, which I preferred, I'd rather have the person who is honest with themselves, rather than the person who "thinks," they are radially tolerant, but was swayed to wariness of Black people based on riots that are overwhelmingly White.

 

[Alpo]

Jamil:

Agree. The Smithsonian National Museum of African America History and Culture's "White Privilege" article and recent releases (https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness....the other pages were taken down out of "concern") are "shocking" to many white people. What is tantamount to a ridcule of the way of life for many non-blacks is now enshrined in a National Museum. The Academy Awards is now referred to many as the Blackademy Awards due to the amount of air time used on black matters.

A lot of people thought: well, we've had a black president. We aren't a racist country. He seems pretty much like the rest of us.

then all of a sudden, 2020 happens and Malcolm X, the Panthers and the Watts riots are back?

So....yeah, race relations are not improving.

 

[JettaKnight]

Generation in terms of years. 20 or 25 years. I see the riots moving a lot of people who thought they were racially tolerant back into the wariness of blacks that was more prevalent in the 20th century. Trust has dimished rather than improved as a result of #BLM.

If the primary purpose of the demonstrations was police reform, that goal is no closer to being reached than it was in 2019. Perhaps there are fewer stops today, but do you seriously think attitudes have changed in law enforcement?

Civilians are more fearful of blacks as a result of the riots. Gun purchases are up.

I could go on, but that's the short list.

Sadly, I think Alpo has a point. The rioting has done a lot of damage.

Other the other hand, so does Kut. There has been a lot of hidden issues that have come to light to show that even in the 21st century, things aren't equal.


The problem I see it that there's no good metric that we can agree on. With the civil rights movement you had a lot of clear goals - e.g. integrate the schools. It was easier to check a box to show progress.

Here, it's way more anecdotal and subjective.


BLM has become an intractable problem - they've got marxist DNA, but they also got that catchy and powerful slogan.

 

[JettaKnight]

Jamil:

Agree. The Smithsonian National Museum of African America History and Culture's "White Privilege" article and recent releases (https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness....the other pages were taken down out of "concern") are "shocking" to many white people. What is tantamount to a ridcule of the way of life for many non-blacks is now enshrined in a National Museum. The Academy Awards is now referred to many as the Blackademy Awards due to the amount of air time used on black matters.

A lot of people thought: well, we've had a black president. We aren't a racist country. He seems pretty much like the rest of us.

then all of a sudden, 2020 happens and Malcolm X, the Panthers and the Watts riots are back?

So....yeah, race relations are not improving.

I thought racism ended when the Cosby Show premiered.

 

[printcraft]

Exactly! Are you like that? Do you trust Black less because of the riots, than you did before? If that describes you, then you still have room for growth. If not, then you understand the problem with the part I bolded. If one were to ask me, which I preferred, I'd rather have the person who is honest with themselves, rather than the person who "thinks," they are radially tolerant, but was swayed to wariness of Black people based on riots that are overwhelmingly White.

I’m kinda with kut on this one.
Maybe it’s an “older” people thing, but my overall opinion of OTW people as just normal people hasn’t changed.
The riots have the typical bad actors but I don’t associate with those types from any race.
Radical leftists are who I worry about, from any race.