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    KG1

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    Is it also possible that treating other humans in power respectfully or even friendly is what kept NK from doing stupid **** during Trump’s term works, but what is happening now inflames it? Do you guys really believe that rapport building and dealing with assholes only happens at your work? Do you also think all those Camp David meetings with enemies over the years were all about letting them know how bad they were? Or maybe rapport building and some worthless praise might just win over the peace?
    They can certainly speak respectfully leader to leader as well without getting all mushy. Here let me give you this nice complementary butter massage even though you are ruthless dictators who don't have any regard for other human beings.

    It's just a bad look and a turnoff no matter. IMO
     
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    They can certainly speak respectfully leader to leader as well without getting all mushy. Here let me give you this nice complementary butter massage even though you are ruthless dictators who don't have any regard for other human beings.

    It's just a bad look no matter. IMO
    Butter massage?? :nailbite:

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    Ok Bug. WTH are you talking about? That wasn't what was posted in the link that I sent you. What you're talking about was in the subsection of that link. This was in the link that I posted. I even double checked it. Here I'll provide it here for you and everyone else to see so we can stop this nonsense. It's rather lengthy but you like reading.


    Announcement
    I am running for President of the United States because I want to lead Our Great American Comeback.
    Our country is going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones.
    • Our southern border has collapsed and drugs are pouring into our country, killing tens of thousands of our fellow Americans
    • Our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime -- the result of weak, ideologically-driven policies
    • Our federal government is making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle class lifestyle
    • Our president lacks vigor, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges, and takes his cues from the woke mob
    But it doesn't have to be this way.
    American decline is not inevitable -- it is a choice. We should choose a new direction -- a path that will lead to American revitalization.
    We must restore sanity to our nation.
    • This means embracing Fiscal and economic sanity ... stop pricing hard-working Americans out of a good standard of living through inflationary borrow, print and spend policies. And embrace American energy independence.
    • This also means Replacing the woke mind virus with reality, facts, and enduring principles. Merit must trump identity politics.
    We must return normalcy to our communities.
    • America is a sovereign country and our borders must be respected: we cannot have foreigners pouring into our country illegally by the millions, and we cannot allow drug cartels to poison our population with fentanyl.
    • The public deserves safe communities and law and order must be maintained. We cannot permit the inmates to run the asylum -- and we must reject attacks on the men and women of law enforcement.
    We must reestablish integrity in our institutions.
    • This includes our military. US Navy and Iraq veteran. When revered institutions like our own military are more concerned with matters not central to the mission -- from global warming to gender ideology and pronouns, morale declines and recruiting suffers. We need to eliminate these distractions and get focused on the core mission.
    • We cannot have true constitutional government if the most significant issues are decided by the whims of unelected bureaucrats, rather than the people's elected representatives. Reestablishing integrity to our institutions means we must reinvigorate our constitutional system by returning the government to its rightful owners: we the people. No social or economic transformation without representation.
    Truth must be our foundation -- and common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue.
    In Florida, we proved that it could be done.
    We chose facts over fear.
    We chose Education over indoctrination.
    We chose Law and order over rioting and disorder.
    We held the line when freedom hung in the balance.
    Florida is now thriving as a result -- the fastest growing state, #1 in net in-migration, #1 in new business formations, #1 in education, 50 year low crime rate, and one of the lowest tax and debt per capita rates in America.
    Governing is not entertainment. Its not about building a brand or virtue signaling on social media. It is about results. Our results in Florida have been second to none.
    We can and we must deliver big results for America.
    I pledge to be an energetic executive that will take on the important issues head on:
    • Biden has pursued inflationary policies that are hurting working people; we will reverse those policies and build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living.
    • Biden has opened the southern border and allowed massive amounts of drugs to pour into the country; we will shut down the border, construct a border wall, and hold the drug cartels accountable.
    • Biden has embraced medical authoritarianism, such as unconstitutional covid vax mandates; we will ensure that those violations of liberty can never happen again.
    • Biden has allowed woke ideology to drive his agenda. We will never surrender to the woke mob and we will leave woke ideology in the dustbin of history.
    • Biden has politicized the military and caused recruiting to plummet. We will eliminate ideological agendas from the military, focus on the military's core mission, and reverse the poor recruiting trends.
    • Biden has weaponized the power of the administrative state to advance his left-wing agenda. We will re-constitutionalize the executive branch and bring the administrative state to heel.
    You can't do any of this if you don't win.
    There is no substitute for victory -- we must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican party in recent years.
    The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future -- we must look forward, not backwards
    The courage to lead. The strength to win.
    To voters participating in this primary process I can promise this: If you nominate me, you can set your clock to January 20, 2025 at high noon because on the west side of the US Capitol I will be taking the oath of office as the 47th president of the United States.
    No excuses. I will get it done.
    The past few years have given me a new appreciation for the fragility of our freedoms. Founding Fathers were keenly aware of this, studied every republic in history of mankind...
    We have a lot of work to do to ensure our country gets back on track. I ask you to join me on this mission.
    I also notice [Not]your guy didn't mention China once when listing the problems that need solving/he will solve

    Maybe I missed it
     

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    I also notice [Not]your guy didn't mention China once when listing the problems that need solving/he will solve

    Maybe I missed it
    C'mon Bug you're just flailing about. Did you happen to breeze by my post earlier when DeSantis said we need to get supply chains back over here from China?

    Or what he said in this Twitter response In another post that I posted that "checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party" was on the list of vitally important national interest than Ukraine?

     
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    They can certainly speak respectfully leader to leader as well without getting all mushy. Here let me give you this nice complementary butter massage even though you are ruthless dictators who don't have any regard for other human beings.

    It's just a bad look and a turnoff no matter. IMO

    LAMO! You sure are consistent in your concern of feelz and looks.

    When did the tough guys of INGO get so soft?

    Ruthless dictators are not my problem unless they harm the US. Their subjects should have a tea party and break the yoke. This post echos the promotion of the military industrial complex.
     

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    You're right, I didn't read that beyond what seemed it was going to be an introduction to Ron Desantis. I went in search of a subsection specifically devoted to policy. My Bad

    He still hasn't said anything much about what he specifically will do with the big chair

    He's going to 'build an economy where working Americans can achieve a good standard of living'. OK, how? Reshoring, combat CCP mercantilism with punitive tariffs, regulatory and regulatory agency reform? My candidate DID all of that and more

    He's going to 'shut down the border, construct a border wall, and hold the drug cartels accountable'. OK, how? Discourage immigration at the source and by implementing Remain in Mexico, fund a wall by diversion of other appropriations if congress won't fund it directly and taking military action against the cartels? My candidate already did the first two and wasn't stupid enough to try the third

    He's going to 'ensure that violations of liberty - via 'unconstitutional' covid vax mandate - scan never happen again.' OK, how? Can he pass a law forbidding states from imposing such mandates that will pass constitutional muster, can he make a single reform of the structure of the CDC or the NIH without congress acquiescence (other than change out the appointees), can he redirect funding for government organizations via the power of the purse? My candidate did not do that, we'll have to see if yours can get it done in the face of divided gov't

    He's going to 'leave woke ideology in the dustbin of history.' OK, how exactly? Will he forbid federal agencies and the military from incorporating CRT into standards and training? Can he pass a law telling states what to do in that area that will pass constitutional muster. Will he try to use the power of government to enforce his desires on major, publicly-held corporations. My candidate already did the first and wasn't foolish enough to try the other two

    He's going to 'eliminate ideological agendas from the military, focus on the military's core mission, and reverse the poor recruiting trends.' Your candidate could do this and so could mine. When my candidate was president, it wasn't anything that needed doing as support from the top for the military as well as overt support for ending involvement in pointless wars and nation building (which my candidate DID do) goes a long way toward making Americans proud to serve

    He's going to 're-constitutionalize the executive branch and bring the administrative state to heel.' My candidate tried but fell short, I would really like to know some specifics

    Long on promises short on proposals. Why should I believe he can do it better than Trump DID do it? If it requires control of congress, I'd like to hear his proposals for electing more America First representatives and senators
    Like I said to Fos before. That is just a list of platform priorities that he wants to address if elected. I keep hearing clamoring that people want DeSantis to be AF policy wise.

    Well, there was his outline of priorities and the way I described it to Fos even IM gave it a like.
     
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    jamil

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    Wrong! [insert Trump gif there]. I asked why DeSantis won't lay out policy specifics of what he would do with the big chair. That's quite a bit different, especially with respect to specificity, than 'taking a firm stance'

    The only people that I ever knew overly concerned with 'stances' were white belts


    'Mind being a little more consistent in what you’re asking for? Thanks in advance.'
    Stance precedes policy. It’s not like Trump had fully fleshed out policy page on his website at this stage in 2016. All he had were stances, a few of which were added when he discovered
    people cheered him at rallies. Why didn’t you care about Trump’s early campaign?
     
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    Ingomike

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    Stance precedes policy. It’s not like Trump had fully fleshed out policy page on his website at this stage in 2016. All he had were stances, a few of which were added when he discovered
    people cheered him at rallies. Why didn’t you care about Trump’s early campaign?
    In 2016, there was hope, by 2020 there was proof of delivery, I want to go back to delivery, not hope…
     

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    LAMO! You sure are consistent in your concern of feelz and looks.

    When did the tough guys of INGO get so soft?

    Ruthless dictators are not my problem unless they harm the US. Their subjects should have a tea party and break the yoke. This post echos the promotion of the military industrial complex.
    WTH? mike. Just more baseless personal attack drivel. Never said that ruthless dictators are not a problem but going overboard with the butter sauce is just not a good look to some IMO Like I said they can still speak respectfully as leader to leader without the overboard mushy stuff. Has nothing to do with feelz.
     

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    I know it's likely you and your fellow travelers will just see what comes next as alibiing or Trump worship, but do you ever even think ... beyond trying to show DeSantis knows how to talk tough? Are there logical alternate explanations?

    Is it possible that Trump has a better grasp of Realpolitik?

    Probably only to he extent that knowing show business intersects with politics.

    Is it possible that Trump realizes that to end the war in Ukraine will require negotiating with Putin, and that just maybe saying he is a war criminal that needs to be dragged to the dock in The Hague will make those negotiations MUCH more difficult? Is it possible that Trump knows that The Three is just a shot away (nod to The Stones), Russia is a nuclear peer and some de-escalation might be in order?
    Putin is a war criminal and deserves more consequences than is practical. Biden is a war criminal. Zelensky is a war criminal. Can we do anything to anyone? Not gonna happen. But we can say it. And they deserve whatever our imaginations can concoct.
     

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    Uhhh, the only thing I can see, at the link provided and which doesn't want me to sign up for something, is the subsection entitled 'Meet Ron DeSantis' and which consists entirely of his claimed accomplishments as governor of Florida and then some pablum about how he will be bringing similar wonderfulness to the presidency

    I see nothing remotely interpretable as a platform for a presidential run
    If I have to donate to see his policies, I’ll just wait for the movie to come out on network TV.
     

    jamil

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    In 2016, there was hope, by 2020 there was proof of delivery, I want to go back to delivery, not hope…
    That’s not the ask. Bug complains that DeSantis doesn’t have fully fleshed out policies. I guess because one can’t support a candidate at this stage in the campaign unless they do. Or. Idunno. They get a pass there’s hope? So a stance isn’t good enough but hope is? :lmfao:
     

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    If I have to donate to see his policies, I’ll just wait for the movie to come out on network TV.
    You don't. That's not what you have to do to see his list of policy priorities. I even posted them here and I didn't have to sign up for anything.
     

    jamil

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    You don't. That's not what you have to do to see his list of policy priorities. I even posted them here and I didn't have to sign up for anything.
    That’s encouraging. Was it on a mobile version or desktop? On my phone I did not see any links to policies. Just flashy “donate here” ****.
     
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