Trucker protest slowing traffic on I-465

[planedriver]

The drivers participating in this must like something about their job. They should weigh out what they like and what they dislike. Maybe then act accordingly or suck it up. Don’t force the rest of us to unwillingly participate in their bad decisions.

 

[Tactically Fat]

Yeah. like the 18 wheeler at 21st and emerson today. On a green with oncoming traffic, he decides to pull a U turn. So myself and a half dozen others, had to stop for him and wait while he pulled a stinking 5 point turn to get his semi turned around on a 4 lane road. SMH. Just go around the block a-hole.

New to the East siiiiiiiiiiiiiiide? hah

 

[Ingomike]

The drivers participating in this must like something about their job.

I doubt that employees with “jobs” were participating, more likely those with payments on $100-$200k rigs, trying to keep up with rapidly rising fuel, maintenance, and insurance costs while the brokers keep squeezing on the other side.

IMHO, an independent transportation system is an important aspect of freedom, having the entire transportation system controlled by conglomerates is not good for freedom…

 

[planedriver]

I doubt that employees with “jobs” were participating, more likely those with payments on $100-$200k rigs, trying to keep up with rapidly rising fuel, maintenance, and insurance costs while the brokers keep squeezing on the other side.

IMHO, an independent transportation system is an important aspect of freedom, having the entire transportation system controlled by conglomerates is not good for freedom…

As a businessman I certainly understand all of that. I also agree that no faction of our economic system should ever fall under the control of a few entities.

None the less. Sometimes tough decisions must be made. Involving the masses in personal or business decisions has never improved the end result.

 

[Ingomike]

Involving the masses in personal or business decisions has never improved the end result.

Involving the masses has improved the end result many times throughout history. The agreement of the masses is necessary to get the change desired.

That we are so soft that a little traffic delay upsets us is another indication of how we have fallen…

 

[printcraft]

Any protest that involves blocking off public thoroughfares and violating the rights of others does NOT help win my support for any cause.

110%. And the people they have a problem with don't give 2 s**ts.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I doubt that employees with “jobs” were participating, more likely those with payments on $100-$200k rigs, trying to keep up with rapidly rising fuel, maintenance, and insurance costs while the brokers keep squeezing on the other side.

IMHO, an independent transportation system is an important aspect of freedom, having the entire transportation system controlled by conglomerates is not good for freedom…

If only there were some way to balance the power equation. Some way for those who do the work to band together to even the power they hold in negotiations up a bit. Is INGO finally ready to turn on the "job creators" and stop yelling socialism every time someone points out that power and wealth accumulating in fewer and fewer hands is bad for the economy and society as a whole? Or should truck drivers just take whatever they are offered, which is generally the mood here whenever wages are brought up. If you don't like the job, don't do it. Learn to code.

 

[Bugzilla]

Just doing the posted speed limit.

 

[xwing]

If only there were some way to balance the power equation. Some way for those who do the work to band together to even the power they hold in negotiations up a bit. Is INGO finally ready to turn on the "job creators" and stop yelling socialism every time someone points out that power and wealth accumulating in fewer and fewer hands is bad for the economy and society as a whole? Or should truck drivers just take whatever they are offered, which is generally the mood here whenever wages are brought up. If you don't like the job, don't do it. Learn to code.

I disagree completely.

More government control and more socialism is always bad. The free market provides the remedy, even though it's not instant. If people don't like their jobs, fewer do it, supply of that job goes down. If demand stays steady (e.g. people still want the results of that job), then prices of supply (e.g. workers) go up to balance.

 

[GregD]

Just got home and traffic was moving fine.

 

[manifest destiny]

i465 sucks.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I disagree completely.

More government control and more socialism is always bad. The free market provides the remedy, even though it's not instant. If people don't like their jobs, fewer do it, supply of that job goes down. If demand stays steady (e.g. people still want the results of that job), then prices of supply (e.g. workers) go up to balance.

What gov't control do you imagine I was referring to?

There is no free market when there is a major power imbalance in the market place. That's beyond intelligent debate, which is why we don't allow monopolies in most instances, price fixing among "competitors" colluding is illegal, etc.

Demand doesn't stay steady. It's harmful to all players to allow repeated boom/bust cycles in markets that swing wildly, and particularly in segments that have very far reaching effects in the economy as a whole. Remember when everyone was butt hurt about dock workers? Or now the imagined attack on food infrastructure? Let the trucking industry go through a few boom bust cycles as well and see if INGO cries "that's the free market" or "ConSPiRaCESZZS!"

 

[manifest destiny]

Free market is a myth. The Man has his finger on the scale of everything. These truckers have to jump through hoops to get The Man's permission to drive. Then they get harassed about hours driven, weight load and weight distribution, etc. according to The Man's rules. To get a hazmat endorsement nowadays one practically has to allow a very thorough anal exam by, who else, The Man. Are the brokers taking advantage of the drivers, owner/operators? Probably. Could the drivers decide to become a broker or leave the industry all together? Probably. Jamming up traffic might get my attention. But now that I've noticed, what am I suppose to do? Demand higher fees for transport? I don't really get the correlation between "we're getting gypped with low transport fees" and the "let's go **** up traffic for those not involved." What do these truckers want the other drivers on 465 to do exactly to help their cause?

 

[Ingomike]

which is why we don't allow monopolies in most instances

Forgot purple.

 

[planedriver]

Involving the masses has improved the end result many times throughout history. The agreement of the masses is necessary to get the change desired.

That we are so soft that a little traffic delay upsets us is another indication of how we have fallen…

I agree if. You are referring to involving the masses as willing, invested, constituents. If you are implying the 465 crusade is going to improve anything, I respectfully disagree.

 

[KellyinAvon]

How long before this thread gets merged with a thread like this:

Suspect Arrested After Firing Shots on I-465

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[Gingerbeardman]

1. Ya gotta haul freight to make money, that's why they aren't parked.
2. If they hadn't slowed traffic, we would never be talking about their issues.
3. All I had to do for Hazmat was fingerprints and a bunch of multiple choice questions, and about $200. No anal probe.

Trucking isn't what it used to be and a lot of current drivers are just steering wheel holders, not what I'd call professional drivers.

 

[Brandon]

Wonder what they would have done if a bunch of cars in front of the trucks slow rolling, went slower.

 

[Ingomike]

Wonder what they would have done if a bunch of cars in front of the trucks slow rolling, went slower.

Got even more publicity?