The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[rhamersley]

I was poking fun at paper straws. Just scaled it up to windmill blades.

 

[Ingomike]

An Inconvenient Truth—EVs Emit More Particulate Matter Than Gas-Powered Vehicles, According to Report

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[Ingomike]

All EV owners are contributing to the electric grid power shortages. Just like it was when the idiot politicians decided to fuel vehicles with our food, the whole EV scheme was stupid because no one did a dammed thing to create the power for EV’s, they were put right on the grid for our homes and business and now we are getting even closer to the precipice…

Say, We Seem To Be Running Out of Electricity

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[actaeon277]

All EV owners are contributing to the electric grid power shortages. Just like it was when the idiot politicians decided to fuel vehicles with our food, the whole EV scheme was stupid because no one did a dammed thing to create the power for EV’s, they were put right on the grid for our homes and business and now we are getting even closer to the precipice…

Say, We Seem To Be Running Out of Electricity

hotair.com

And, of course they don't think about how long it takes to plan, permit, and build a powerplant

 

[Ingomike]

And, of course they don't think about how long it takes to plan, permit, and build a powerplant

And that is IF the same people pushing the EV’s will even allow consideration of new power production that actually works…

 

[Ingomike]

Manufacturing group pushes back against mandating EVs

American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers says EV push limits consumer choice and ends availability of new gas cars.

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[KLB]

All EV owners are contributing to the electric grid power shortages. Just like it was when the idiot politicians decided to fuel vehicles with our food, the whole EV scheme was stupid because no one did a dammed thing to create the power for EV’s, they were put right on the grid for our homes and business and now we are getting even closer to the precipice…

Say, We Seem To Be Running Out of Electricity

hotair.com

I'm not really sure why you posted that in this thread pointing fingers at EV owners. Everyone using electricity does. Other than possibly CA, there aren't enough EVs to really make a difference yet. The article even says manufacturing and datacenters are the issue in places.

The issue is with the lack of production. Our government has really let us down in that area.

 

[Ingomike]

I'm not really sure why you posted that in this thread pointing fingers at EV owners. Everyone using electricity does. Other than possibly CA, there aren't enough EVs to really make a difference yet. The article even says manufacturing and datacenters are the issue in places.

EV users are stretching the grid everywhere, literally using the margin for peaks to fuel their cars.

The issue is with the lack of production. Our government has really let us down in that area.

True. But the same people are pushing EV’s and stopping fossil fuels grid development?

 

[KLB]

EV users are stretching the grid everywhere, literally using the margin for peaks to fuel their cars.

Look to homes/apartments without gas appliances. Electric heat, stoves, hot water heaters, dryers, all much more prevalent than EVs.

True. But the same people are pushing EV’s and stopping fossil fuels grid development?

They are still idiots.

 

[Ingomike]

Look to homes/apartments without gas appliances. Electric heat, stoves, hot water heaters, dryers, all much more prevalent than EVs.

Those are examples of what the grid was for, not powering vehicles, the grid was not designed for widespread adoption of such a power intensive use.

 

[KLB]

Those are examples of what the grid was for, not powering vehicles, the grid was not designed for widespread adoption of such a power intensive use.

The grid was designed to supply power to customers for whatever they want to use it for. There is nothing special about the electricity an EV uses.

 

[bgcatty]

Biden and all the other idiots of his ilk pushed EVs without a robust power grid in place to charge up the batteries. These same morons also didn’t consider the price of EVs for the average American. With them costing $50, $60, $70,000 plus when did they think the EVs would overtake ICE vehicle? Ford and GM have virtually “pulled the plug” on EVs because they’ve lost billions of dollars on this fiasco brought about by Biden and the Libtards.
They all want us to drink the EV Kool-Aid BS, no way!

 

[actaeon277]

There is nothing special about the electricity an EV uses

I'd say, quantity is the difference.
If you have 10 percent slack in the grid, but want to add 30 percent to the grid.. there's a problem.

Adding EVs here and there, is natural growth, and can be accommodated by adding to the grid.
Government pushing mandates, and ignoring the fact that they often get in the way of the expansion, with red tape, does not allow the grid to naturally expand.

 

[actaeon277]

How hard is it to develop California's electric grid of the future? Like repairing a car while driving

Despite the challenges, the state’s clean energy goals can be reached and the power system will be more reliable, a top California grid executive says.

www.latimes.com

According this, California's grid can be upgraded.. IF everything goes right.

If

 

[Ingomike]

The grid was designed to supply power to customers for whatever they want to use it for. There is nothing special about the electricity an EV uses.

No it wasn’t for whatever customers want to do with it. If a new business comes to town they don’t just get to plug into the grid use up all the power. It is planned for, infrastructure installed, before they get power.

This is EV situation is very similar in that the companies and the government are pushing consumers to buy products that collectively will overwhelm the grid without any planning of infrastructure before their widespread use.

As I have said, I know some folks at pretty high in energy transmission and they say the grid does not have the capacity for more than a couple of chargers per block or so.

 

[KLB]

I'd say, quantity is the difference.
If you have 10 percent slack in the grid, but want to add 30 percent to the grid.. there's a problem.

Adding EVs here and there, is natural growth, and can be accommodated by adding to the grid.
Government pushing mandates, and ignoring the fact that they often get in the way of the expansion, with red tape, does not allow the grid to naturally expand.

Mandates of cars, stoves, heaters, whatever are stupid. None of those put in any thought for the grid being able to handle the increased demand of all of those electric devices.

 

[jamil]

I'm not really sure why you posted that in this thread pointing fingers at EV owners. Everyone using electricity does. Other than possibly CA, there aren't enough EVs to really make a difference yet. The article even says manufacturing and datacenters are the issue in places.

The issue is with the lack of production. Our government has really let us down in that area.

In other words, electricity is fungible.

 

[actaeon277]

Mandates of cars, stoves, heaters, whatever are stupid. None of those put in any thought for the grid being able to handle the increased demand of all of those electric devices.

yup

 

[Leadeye]

Makes me glad I have a generator and heat the house with wood.

 

[Ingomike]

"Economic development agency bureaucrats admitted under oath in a Georgia courtroom that they hadn't even bothered to look at Rivian's basic SEC filings to make sure they had even a surface-level understanding of Rivian's business fundamentals.”

Rivian project deserved more due diligence, transparency, expert says

In December 2021, state officials announced that Rivian planned to build a manufacturing facility in Georgia. The state gave the company $1.5 billion in incentives, and the Michigan-based group named the deal 2022's "Worst Economic Development Deal of the Year."

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