Student Injured by Accidental Discharge of Police Weapon at School

[cbhausen]

Why was he pointing a gun at anything he was not willing to destroy?

All guns are always loaded...


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On your first point, agreed. Not so much on your second. All guns are not always loaded but all guns should be treated like guns. And that means don’t point them at anything you don’t want to shoot whether you know it’s loaded or not. “Knowing it’s unloaded” gives morons reasons to do stupid ****.

 

[Doug]

I remember a news report of a person shot with a 25 millimeter automatic handgun. Maybe this one was a .357 millimeter* magnum.

* .014 caliber

 

[bwframe]

On your first point, agreed. Not so much on your second. All guns are not always loaded but all guns should be treated like guns. And that means don’t point them at anything you don’t want to shoot whether you know it’s loaded or not. “Knowing it’s unloaded” gives morons reasons to do stupid ****.

 

[drillsgt]

On your first point, agreed. Not so much on your second. All guns are not always loaded but all guns should be treated like guns. And that means don’t point them at anything you don’t want to shoot whether you know it’s loaded or not. “Knowing it’s unloaded” gives morons reasons to do stupid ****.

This doesn't really apply in this case as it wasn't really an 'accidental' shooting, training with simunitions he fully intended to shoot that person, he just unfortunately had his real gun.

 

[bwframe]

This doesn't really apply in this case as it wasn't really an 'accidental' shooting, training with simunitions he fully intended to shoot that person, he just unfortunately had his real gun.

When I trained with sims, there were no ammo/weapons allowed in the training area. This was double checked by ALL participants, including patting each other down to verify.

This "accident" was caused by the people in charge not following standard safety protocols. It's also quite concerning that the students involved allowed the "training" to proceed so dangerously.

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[Kirk Freeman]

Please explain how qualified immunity would apply to such an incident.

Please include the legal standards as defined by the courts.

Abolishing qualified immunity allows victims of law enforcement to more easily recover the damages they are entitled to. Certainly the best advocates for abolishing qualified immunity are the police as they act like this.

May not apply here, but it is always time to abolish qualified immunity and absolute immunity for prosecutors and judges too.

 

[Denny347]

Abolishing qualified immunity allows victims of law enforcement to more easily recover the damages they are entitled to. Certainly the best advocates for abolishing qualified immunity are the police as they act like this.

May not apply here, but it is always time to abolish qualified immunity and absolute immunity for prosecutors and judges too.

More easily? QI doesn't keep the City from being sued, just the officers in their individual capacity, if they didn't violate a clearly established right. Cities still pay. QI has saved me several times and I never crossed the line...not ONCE. The last case QI attached still took me 7 years to resolve in Federal Court, all the way up to the SCOTUS. No way. There are too many crappy lawyers looking to make a name for themselves to believe that we'd all be better off with them having free reign. Nope.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

More easily? QI doesn't keep the City from being sued, just the officers in their individual capacity, if they didn't violate a clearly established right. Cities still pay. QI has saved me several times and I never crossed the line...not ONCE. The last case QI attached still took me 7 years to resolve in Federal Court, all the way up to the SCOTUS. No way. There are too many crappy lawyers looking to make a name for themselves to believe that we'd all be better off with them having free reign. Nope.

Plenty of other officers have. Abolishing QI allows us to get to those officers and sue them into the poor house as the Constitution intended.

 

[jwamplerusa]

It's also quite concerning that the students involved allowed the "training" to proceed so dangerously.

The students do not know any better. That is why they are students.

This incident is also illustrative of why incompetent, or those who are agenda driven (CRT), are so dangerous as teachers. Students automatically assign authority, competence, and knowledge to those put forward as teachers and mentors, deserved or not.

Few individuals in a student role are going to start challenging an instructor who does not practice safe gun handling, when they may have only been introduced to the rules minutes or hours previously.

 

[pmbiker]

This "accident" was caused by the people in charge not following standard safety protocols. It's also quite concerning that the students involved allowed the "training" to proceed so dangerously.

Wrong. This situation was caused by one man's negligence. I refuse to call it an accident or blame anyone not connected to the finger that pulled the trigger.

 

[bwframe]

The students do not know any better. That is why they are students...

...Few individuals in a student role are going to start challenging an instructor who does not practice safe gun handling, when they may have only been introduced to the rules minutes or hours previously.

There is no reason at all for anyone handling firearms to not know and practice the four rules of firearms safety. There is also a strong possibility that a decent percentage of those in the class have handled firearms prior to this class.

It doesn't take much reading online to discover safe firearms handling protocol.

Hopefully this huge mistake will help better educate students of the gun on the do's and dont's of proper firearms handling. Also not NOT blindly trust any "instructor" with a pistol to violate the rules.

It would have only taken one student to question whether the "training" was safe to likely pause or end it all at that time. Many of us have seen sloppy dangerous firearms safety violations that kept us from training with specific trainers or groups.

 

[Creedmoor]

There is no reason at all for anyone handling firearms to not know and practice the four rules of firearms safety. There is also a strong possibility that a decent percentage of those in the class have handled firearms prior to this class.

It doesn't take much reading online to discover safe firearms handling protocol.

Hopefully this huge mistake will help better educate students of the gun on the do's and dont's of proper firearms handling. Also not NOT blindly trust any "instructor" with a pistol to violate the rules.

It would have only taken one student to question whether the "training" was safe to likely pause or end it all at that time. Many of us have seen sloppy dangerous firearms safety violations that kept us from training with specific trainers or groups.

I cant imagine paying for a class, traveling for that class and walk up to the line and see a camera man standing between two targets.

 

[jlw]

Abolishing qualified immunity allows victims of law enforcement to more easily recover the damages they are entitled to. Certainly the best advocates for abolishing qualified immunity are the police as they act like this.

May not apply here, but it is always time to abolish qualified immunity and absolute immunity for prosecutors and judges too.

You didn’t answer my question.

 

[jlw]

Qualified immunity does not apply to criminal acts.

Qualified immunity does not apply when there is a violation of clearly established law.

 

[Trapper Jim]

There is no reason at all for anyone handling firearms to not know and practice the four rules of firearms safety. There is also a strong possibility that a decent percentage of those in the class have handled firearms prior to this class.

It doesn't take much reading online to discover safe firearms handling protocol.

Hopefully this huge mistake will help better educate students of the gun on the do's and dont's of proper firearms handling. Also not NOT blindly trust any "instructor" with a pistol to violate the rules.

It would have only taken one student to question whether the "training" was safe to likely pause or end it all at that time. Many of us have seen sloppy dangerous firearms safety violations that kept us from training with specific trainers or groups.

Huge difference in reciting the four rules and actually committing to doing them.

 

[Denny347]

Plenty of other officers have. Abolishing QI allows us to get to those officers and sue them into the poor house as the Constitution intended.

Then modify it. So how many innocent officers are we willing to sue into the poorhouse to get to the bad ones?

 

[ECS686]

Then modify it. So how many innocent officers are we willing to sue into the poorhouse to get to the bad ones?

And the fact if it’s a case where they (the LEO) were acting within established Department SOP’s or Policy and that policy was later ruled unconstitutional or relevant Case Law came out that ruled against the agency’s way the Department is on the hook.

Seen that alternate ending to.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Then modify it. So how many innocent officers are we willing to sue into the poorhouse to get to the bad ones?

Innocent officers will not be impacted just like innocent arrestees are not impacted.

The police will have insurance. I am not worried about them.

QI is against the Framers intent as to the 14th Amendment and should be abolished.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You didn’t answer my question.

I sure did.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Qualified immunity does not apply to criminal acts.

Qualified immunity does not apply when there is a violation of clearly established law.

1. Do you know how many special prosecutors have sat across my desk and cited immunity as the reason not to criminally prosecute cops and a judge? Two so far.

Look let's just stop pretending that treating police as special snowflakes does not impact their attitudes (if this moron down there knew he would be sued for waving a gun around he would not have done so). Let's not pretend that qualified immunity allows the police to commit crimes without consequence. Let's just end it.

2. Courts have gone to absurd lengths to obfuscate clearly established law. If there is an out for the cops, the courts will take it. Let's end QI so this does not transpire any more.