Rittenhouse Defense Releases New Video That Clearly Proves Self Defense

[ajeandy]

Somebody is confused.

Poor choice of words. I'm basing this on what happed in the video evidence.

 

[ajeandy]

I think you're omitting the fact that the people shot were the aggressors, people standing in a crowd were not a threat to his well being.

No they were not, but if he started firing the rifle into the crowd he then becomes a threat to anyone in the crowd no? I know if someone was wailing on the ground firing a rifle into the air and in my general direction they would become a threat to me.

 

[Jaybird1980]

No they were not, but if he started firing the rifle into the crowd he then becomes a threat to anyone in the crowd no? I know if someone was wailing on the ground firing a rifle into the air and in my general direction they would become a threat to me.

The people shot were not the aggressors? I am not sure why you're making up this fantasy of him firing into a crowd. If said fantasy was real then yes the crowd would be justified in protecting themselves.

 

[maxwelhse]

No they were not, but if he started firing the rifle into the crowd he then becomes a threat to anyone in the crowd no? I know if someone was wailing on the ground firing a rifle into the air and in my general direction they would become a threat to me.

Yes, if some dude randomly walks to the front of a crowd you happen to be in, falls down, and starts shooting at you, you're entitled to defend yourself.

Here on Earth, a pack of morons that had no actual clue what happened started chasing after Rittenhouse and screaming that they were going to kill him. I'm not sure if Spielberg could weave those events into the fiction you're describing...

 

[Route 45]

No they were not, but if he started firing the rifle into the crowd he then becomes a threat to anyone in the crowd no? I know if someone was wailing on the ground firing a rifle into the air and in my general direction they would become a threat to me.

If he sprouted wings and flew, I wonder what kind of bird he would be and if shooting him might violate some migratory bird protection law.

 

[ajeandy]

I will once again, observe and see how it plays out in court. I don't think the kid has a good chance at getting off w/o a guilty plea though. Nothing we say or argue about will change that either.

 

[MCgrease08]

Dad,

It's a huge fallacy to compare me being in front of my home to me driving across state lines to defend buildings I have no association with while carrying I rifle I can't technically have.

I 100% do believe in self-defense and will defend my life and my loved ones at all costs. That being said, I do not put myself in stupid situations. I would never show up to a riot to hang out with my gun. That's a seriously bad idea. It isn't his role to police the streets. This would have been 100% different had a group showed up to his front door and tried destroying his home and attacked him at his home. These are in no way, shape, or form similar.

That is the point I'm making. You don't have to agree with it, many on here don't, but you can't say they're the same.

Yet making what you deem a bad decision and ending up in a stupid situation doesn't negate someone's right to defend themselves. Not morally, not legally. That's the point many others are making.

 

[88E30M50]

As much as I like to think that I’d never get into this kind of situation, I do wonder. I have friends that are small business owners and I full well know of much time, money and effort went into building those businesses. They represent their life savings in one case and is the sole means of support for several members of their family. In a riot situation, my understanding is that they could lose their insurance claim and hence, lose everything.

If one of these people asked that I help them protect their livelihood from a mob, it would be a tough decision to make. On one hand, there’s the ‘It’s not my property, so why should I risk anything in defense of it’ mindset that’s pretty common here. On the other hand, there’s the idea of standing up for friends and what’s right. I don’t know how I would decide but I really hope that none of the small business owning friends I have are ever put into the place to make a plea to friends to help them protect their livelihood.

I don’t know what was going through this kids mind when he agreed to help protect a business that was not his but my guess that it was thought to be a case of making that particular business look like something better left be. I cannot imagine who thought it a good idea to ask that of a 17 year old kid. He was not trained for that situation and it’s costing him dearly.

 

[KJQ6945]

If things keep on this course, we will all have to decide who we are. Sheep, sheep dog, or wolf. Choose wisely.

 

[churchmouse]

If things keep on this course, we will all have to decide who we are. Sheep, sheep dog, or wolf. Choose wisely.

No matter what choice you make there will be someone or group of some ones to call you out. It has become the way of things.

 

[ghuns]

...If one of these people asked that I help them protect their livelihood from a mob, it would be a tough decision to make. On one hand, there’s the ‘It’s not my property, so why should I risk anything in defense of it’ mindset that’s pretty common here. On the other hand, there’s the idea of standing up for friends and what’s right. I don’t know how I would decide but I really hope that none of the small business owning friends I have are ever put into the place to make a plea to friends to help them protect their livelihood.

I don’t know what was going through this kids mind when he agreed to help protect a business that was not his but my guess that it was thought to be a case of making that particular business look like something better left be. I cannot imagine who thought it a good idea to ask that of a 17 year old kid. He was not trained for that situation and it’s costing him dearly.

I don't know how old you are, but at 47, I have MUCH more to lose than I did at 17.

It would not have taken much to get me to show up to protect a friend's livelihood when I was 17.

Today, they'd have be really close friends who I basically count as family members before I'd put my butt on the line for them.

17 year olds have a much different relationship with risk and consequences than us old farts.

It's one of the reasons why military recruiters target teenagers.

 

[churchmouse]

I don't know how old you are, but at 47, I have MUCH more to lose than I did at 17.

It would not have taken much to get me to show up to protect a friend's livelihood when I was 17.

Today, they'd have be really close friends who I basically count as family members before I'd put my butt on the line for them.

17 year olds have a much different relationship with risk and consequences than us old farts.

It's one of the reasons why military recruiters target teenagers.

At my time on life's path I am not leaving my family or property. Like you said, way too much to loose and there is not enough time or energy to replace/rebuild.

Now as to family members....that might take on a different level of intensity. Leave my peoples alone. None of them (or friends I would help defend) have businesses. So that is a dilemma we are spared.

 

[FishersCPA]

Yes, Kyle was/is 17.

No, receiving a rifle or committing a crime doesn't exclude you from self-defense UNLESS you committed a felony resulting in your self-defense claim. Receiving the rifle from person living in WI isn't a felony nor did is precipitate the self-defense.

Even if one was to be believed that Kyle caused the incident in order to claim self-defense, the fact that he was retreating and NOT the current aggressor allows him to claim self-defense.

The individual lunging at him has neither the right nor the legal protection for either a) lunging at him (assault) nor trying to relieve him of his weapon when there was no prior bad act to allow anyone to do so (ie: he had just robbed the store or threatened to shoot someone)

 

[Fixer]

I am 50 and I would be more than willing to defend strangers in my community in the spirit of the militia. If no one is willing to stand and fight for our family, friends, and our way of life then you might as well just give up your guns to the inevitable mob of socialists trying to tear down our communities. Whatever his motivations were he came to help fight an evil the politicians refuse to acknowledge. Even the police are reluctant to act for fear of losing their jobs. If this crap comes to my town or neighboring cities and they called for help I wouldn’t hesitate to show up. If left unchecked you may not have your guns to defend your families with.

 

[MCgrease08]

A use of force expert testified on behalf of Rittenhouse defense team. Now the judge must decide whether to allow the expert to testify at trial.

 

[KLB]

A use of force expert testified on behalf of Rittenhouse defense team. Now the judge must decide whether to allow the expert to testify at trial.

The prosecution is trying this in the media. They want to have the jury's minds made up before they ever get to trial.

 

[dudley0]

I liked how the expert replied that he is not familiar with how a skateboard is best used as a weapon. He owned that lawyer.

Hope they get to use him in the trial.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[KLB]

I haven't watched that yet!

 

[rob63]

I don't know, I thought it was big that the expert said that Rittenhouse wouldn't have had reason to fear for his life if he didn't have the rifle with him. I know people that would convict him simply because he brought the rifle that killed the person, regardless of anything else. If the defense witness says on the stand that the only reason he feared for his life was because they were trying to take the very rifle that he was responsible for bringing to the scene, I don't think he stands a chance. I know that's not a popular viewpoint, but I am being realistic about the type of jury he is likely to get.