price of staying cool is going to get expensive

[ghitch75]

[h=1]Congress takes aim at climate change in massive relief bill[/h]
https://fox59.com/news/politics/congress-takes-aim-at-climate-change-in-massive-relief-bill/


thanks to the dems everything that makes you cool is going through the roof....

 

[Expat]

I feel so much safer now.

 

[Thor]

The future is so dark I need night vision goggles.

What did socialists and warmists use before candles? Light bulbs.

 

[foszoe]

A quote from the article posted.

The energy and climate provisions, supported by lawmakers from both parties, were hailed as the most significant climate change law in at least a decade.

Congress takes aim at climate change in massive relief bill


https://fox59.com/news/politics/congress-takes-aim-at-climate-change-in-massive-relief-bill/


thanks to the dems everything that makes you cool is going through the roof....

 

[ghuns]

It'll be fine.

When we fully transition to clean, green energy, there won't be enough of it for things like AC and refrigeration.

 

[Expat]

A/C we survived without... refrigeration is another thing. I like my food not spoiling.

 

[ghuns]

A/C we survived without... refrigeration is another thing. I like my food not spoiling.

I imagine a world where the Amish store down the road from me will get bigger than Walmart from the impending markup on their line of propane refrigerators.

 

[Jeepster48439]

I imagine a world where the Amish store down the road from me will get bigger than Walmart from the impending markup on their line of propane refrigerators.

When we are transitioned full-on to green energy, there will be no propane, natural gas and other combustible fuels.

 

[churchmouse]

The cost of equipment has been going north at a rapid rate for the last few years as the Alphabet agency's push hard for more efficient systems. The cost of a standard eff. residential system (condenser/evap/furnace) has near doubled or close. This does benefit the homeowner in the long haul but as the costs skyrocket the returns on this are less and less. In this the average homeowner looks at super efficient units looking for payback. Point is, as you reduce your energy use the price of that same energy rises. There is no escape.

The new systems are really very nice in that the comfort levels in the home (if properly installed) are better and easier to control. The outdoor units are very quite by comparison to the older models. But, this comes at a price.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

The cost of equipment has been going north at a rapid rate for the last few years as the Alphabet agency's push hard for more efficient systems. The cost of a standard eff. residential system (condenser/evap/furnace) has near doubled or close. This does benefit the homeowner in the long haul but as the costs skyrocket the returns on this are less and less. In this the average homeowner looks at super efficient units looking for payback. Point is, as you reduce your energy use the price of that same energy rises. There is no escape.

The new systems are really very nice in that the comfort levels in the home (if properly installed) are better and easier to control. The outdoor units are very quite by comparison to the older models. But, this comes at a price.

And the first major part to go out on those ultra-efficient units, there’s goes your savings from utilities.

 

[churchmouse]

And the first major part to go out on those ultra-efficient units, there’s goes your savings from utilities.

Same with the Heat pump crowd.

 

[churchmouse]

And the first major part to go out on those ultra-efficient units, there’s goes your savings from utilities.

I will not install those space shuttle level systems.

 

[klausm]

I have always been intrigued by a electric generator run by a wood gasification engine
wouldn't that annoy them?

 

[ghuns]

I have always been intrigued by a electric generator run by a wood gasification engine
wouldn't that annoy them?

Yep...

[video=youtube;a6e3CprVTi8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6e3CprVTi8[/video]

 

[2A_Tom]

Yep...

[video=youtube;a6e3CprVTi8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6e3CprVTi8[/video]

If you could make it to burn free electric company tree trimming wood chips that would be great.

 

[ghuns]

If you could make it to burn free electric company tree trimming wood chips that would be great.

I was trying to figure out how to make it smoke a brisket at the same time.

 

[maxwelhse]

As far as refrigerants (at least in the appliance and automotive realms), this stuff has been coming down the pipe for a long time and being primarily driven out of Europe. Regardless of legislation, we were eventually going to follow the leader anyhow as the new refrigerants become the most popular options on a global scale. That said, I bought a couple of cases of 134A a year or two ago just to keep in stock for the days when the bans eventual come down.

I imagine a world where the Amish store down the road from me will get bigger than Walmart from the impending markup on their line of propane refrigerators.

Just to chuck it out there as you guys are thinking of semi-realistic alternative energy... Absorption cooling requires a heat source, but it doesn't care where the heat comes from. You could very easily make yourself up a wood fired water heater that has a heat exchanger leg on it to run a fridge. The hard part would be the control system to turn the heat off so you don't overpressure the system, and that wouldn't be that hard.

This seems like an excellent way to utilize the waste heat from a still... but if you insist on brisket instead.

 

[Bennettjh]

As far as refrigerants (at least in the appliance and automotive realms), this stuff has been coming down the pipe for a long time and being primarily driven out of Europe. Regardless of legislation, we were eventually going to follow the leader anyhow as the new refrigerants become the most popular options on a global scale. That said, I bought a couple of cases of 134A a year or two ago just to keep in stock for the days when the bans eventual come down.



Just to chuck it out there as you guys are thinking of semi-realistic alternative energy... Absorption cooling requires a heat source, but it doesn't care where the heat comes from. You could very easily make yourself up a wood fired water heater that has a heat exchanger leg on it to run a fridge. The hard part would be the control system to turn the heat off so you don't overpressure the system, and that wouldn't be that hard.

This seems like an excellent way to utilize the waste heat from a still... but if you insist on brisket instead.

Yep. Several are going to 1234yf. R134 will eventually go the way of r12.

 

[chocktaw2]

I just hope and pray Hanes doesn't go away.

 

[bwframe]

The pres could side with Ted Cruz and AOC.

Veto this POS Mr President...