Yes ... be back the last of March!
You will have a great time.
Yes ... be back the last of March!
Now now ... it only makes sense that LEO's are members of Indiana Gun Owners because WE OWN GUNS sillybutt. It's also a good way to have civil dialog on very heated topics although I'm going to make it a policy to stay away from heated topics. I've said it a thousand times "if I want to argue, I'll go to work and get paid for arguing".
I also hope to learn a few things while I'm on this site and maybe give back a little with my experiences.
Okey-dokey, we'll go with 15 minutes. How many extra students die in that minute?
15 minutes for a fellow officer on a postage stamp campus. What if the killer were murdering students? How long for them?
End the carry prohibition now.
We should look at whether or not the VTPD had any input (or to the amount of input) on campus carry. I doubt if the campus police made that total decision. That would have to come from farther up the food chain. They might have been able to express their thoughts but that would probably be as far as it went.
I think what Kirk is getting at is we should use this to our advantage here in IN with the recent legislation coming down the pike. He is saying there will be police chiefs and campus heads battling us and using the excuse that police protection is enough when it clearly isn't.
We should look at whether or not the VTPD had any input (or to the amount of input) on campus carry. I doubt if the campus police made that total decision.
And I agree. It's bad when we have two profitable universities right here that won't even allow their own officers to carry.
I think what Kirk is getting at is we should use this to our advantage here in IN with the recent legislation coming down the pike. He is saying there will be police chiefs and campus heads battling us and using the excuse that police protection is enough when it clearly isn't.
Correct, there is a coming political fight starting in January. I am ensuring that people understand what the coming fight must do--attack the police and their alleged perception as some sort of palladins. A great deal of campus LE and LE are honest, dedicated men and women devoted to doing their duty and helping others. However by placing themselves in the political fray they are no longer afforded the presumption of palladinness but political creatures.
I want to emphasize that this is a political fight, nothing more. The campus police have ventured out onto the field of political battle and must be driven off politically. Attack their arguments as foolish and this latest shooting at Virigina Tech undermines one of their strongest cards (we will be there to protect--nonsense).
I understand that often the campus police are sock puppets for the administrators but they are the sock puppets that must be attacked.
To say they are puppets of a police ran state, sorry that doesn't fly.
I am truely sorry that this happened, but we cannot place any blame here on the police.
I believe there is a slight misunderstanding. The police are puppets of the police??? No.
Sock puppet=your jaw is moving to the words of another. The campus police chiefs are mouthing the words of the administrations.
To attack the administrations you have to attack politically the police.
Again a slight misunderstanding. No one is blaming the police for the police officer that was murdered.
What we are pointing out is that it happened despite all the money and time that Viriginia Tech threw at public safety and then fumbled very badly in the response to a murder of one of their own.
The myth of safety via the police just went down in flames. The death of that myth must be repeated, many times, in the statehouse in Indianapolis.