Pick the day and time Russia invades Ukraine

[DoggyDaddy]

Two weeks before it appears to happen. Cyber attacks will precede the invasion.

FTFY

FTFBOY (Fixed that for both of you).

 

[KellyinAvon]

FTFY

Tomato, potato, ya'll know what I mean. Vlad's cyber-boys will be at it in the weeks pier

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Jan 7th at 00:30am local time. Will only invade Eastern Ukraine. Objectives met in less than 72 hours. Putin nominates himself for a peace prize after he frees the oppressed Donbas peoples.

 

[KittySlayer]

Ukraine was the breadbasket of the USSR.

So before planting season?

 

[patience0830]

So before planting season?

Guess I should pick a time based on possibilities.

1 April, 2022. 0600.

 

[Billythekid]

January 8th 3 am local time

who knows what ever day it will be, but china will be moving on Taiwan with in a short time making a 2 front war for us 4,998 miles apart as the crow flies and lot farther apart by land or sea a true logistical nightmare

 

[armalitesheepdog]

Thats probably what the Biden Putin call was about. Whats in it for Hunter?

 

[armac6]

About the same time as the deep state mafia regime invades and destroys another middle east country.

 

[Expat]

This won't happen. Biden said there would be grave consequences, so Putin kicked some dirt and went back to the Kremlin.

 

[idkfa]

I reckon it won't happen. Too much risk for Putin and the reward is too low (and in all likelihood problematic going forward).
The West orchestrated the Maidan revolution in '14, and Putin did use that as an attempt to topple the new government by the annexation of Crimea and by supplying the self-proclaimed newly formed states in the East of Ukraine with tanks (at least 35, possibly 100+) and other resources.

If he wanted to get Ukraine, he could've already annexed the Eastern territories.
They present zero problems in terms of integration since people there dream about this.
This would've also ended the war, since Ukraine wouldn't dare attack Russia.
This would be a huge boost to his rating.

However, the West would impose further sanctions which would affect Putin and his buddies.

So I guess on the balance they've decided that it's not worth it.

 

[armac6]

Interesting theory since the "empire" has invaded and destroyed several middle east countries, killed millions of innocents and flooded Europe and the US with millions of "refugees" in the last 20 years alone.

 

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[BigRed]

Meanwhile, Kazakhstan asking Russia for help and safety.

 

[idkfa]

Meanwhile, Kazakhstan asking Russia for help and safety.

This is yet another place that Russia definitely does not need. Muslim fundamentalism and extreme nationalism are rampant, especially in the South.
Russia has enough of that happening as it is (Chechnya and Dagestan in the South, Tatarstan smack in the middle).
At most, Russia may facilitate the breakdown of the country and try to ensure it doesn't gravitate to China.

 

[BigRed]

I reckon it won't happen. Too much risk for Putin and the reward is too low (and in all likelihood problematic going forward).
The West orchestrated the Maidan revolution in '14, and Putin did use that as an attempt to topple the new government by the annexation of Crimea and by supplying the self-proclaimed newly formed states in the East of Ukraine with tanks (at least 35, possibly 100+) and other resources.

If he wanted to get Ukraine, he could've already annexed the Eastern territories.
They present zero problems in terms of integration since people there dream about this.
This would've also ended the war, since Ukraine wouldn't dare attack Russia.
This would be a huge boost to his rating.

However, the West would impose further sanctions which would affect Putin and his buddies.

So I guess on the balance they've decided that it's not worth it.

I have two questions.

What current sanctions affect Putin and his buddies?

What further sanctions would affect Putin and his buddies?

 

[idkfa]

I have two questions.

What current sanctions affect Putin and his buddies?

What further sanctions would affect Putin and his buddies?

Current:

A Timeline Of All Russia-Related Sanctions

A detailed look at all the sanctions levied against Russia, and its countersanctions, since 2014.

www.rferl.org

E.g.,

Sanctions imposed on seven individuals and 17 companies linked to President Vladimir Putin. Restrictions placed on Russia’s import of U.S. goods deemed to contribute to its military capabilities.

Future:
E.g., excluding Russia from the SWIFT system.

On the other hand, one may argue they all belong to one big club (especially given that Putin does have ties to Davos and, e.g., at the moment Russia is marching in lockstep with the West insofar as the 'rona is concerned), and sanctions don't matter.
Or at least they shouldn't be taken at a face value.
But then again, there's a chance that these "club members" are simply in a spitting match with each other over something that we are not privy to.
Either way, it has nothing to do with national security on either end.

 

[BigRed]

I most often read these sanctioms as nothing more than gestures. I sometimes wonder if Putin and his ***wipes do the same.

 

[idkfa]

I most often read these sanctioms as nothing more than gestures. I sometimes wonder if Putin and his ***wipes do the same.

A cursory search reveals that, for example,

... as a result of the sanctions, Vekselberg's fortune fell by $ 3 billion - from $ 16.4 billion to $ 13.5 billion (as of July 26).

Как санкции повлияли на российских олигархов? Отвечает минфин США - BBC News Русская служба

Министерство финансов США сообщило, каких результатов достигла страна благодаря антироссийским санкциям, включая потери олигархов и экономики. Свою программу минфин США называет одной из самых "активных и влиятельных".

www-bbc-com.translate.goog

Russian export shrunk dramatically as well between 2014 and 2016, and only recovered in 2021.

Russia Exports

Exports in Russia decreased to 28956 USD Million in January from 38646 USD Million in December of 2023. This page provides - Russia Exports - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

 

[BigRed]

A 3B haircut on a 16.4B valuation....must be like a bullet to the brain!

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Meanwhile, Kazakhstan asking Russia for help and safety.

Russian Troops Fan Out as Kazakh Leader Orders Protesters Shot

(Bloomberg) -- Kazakhstan’s president said he’s ordered security forces to shoot protesters “without warning” as he declared victory with Russia’s help in crushing unrest sweeping the central Asian nation.“Those who don’t surrender will be destroyed,” President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev said in a...

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