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    As I understand it (again, IANAL), the 1,000 ft exclusion zone doesn't apply to those who are licensed by the state to carry a firearm. So, it really doesn't matter.
    This is my understanding as well.

    As to the sign at the door…. Are you sure OP that they weren’t written for instances where people were bringing guns in for service, trade-in, etc? It’s been a few years now but seems like I remember seeing a sign at a Gander Mtn one time that had verbiage to that effect. If you just glanced at it, it seemed to be saying “no guns allowed” but was really about making sure guns being brought for business purposes in were in a safe condition.
     

    Jlong51454

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    This is my understanding as well.

    As to the sign at the door…. Are you sure OP that they weren’t written for instances where people were bringing guns in for service, trade-in, etc? It’s been a few years now but seems like I remember seeing a sign at a Gander Mtn one time that had verbiage to that effect. If you just glanced at it, it seemed to be saying “no guns allowed” but was really about making sure guns being brought for business purposes in were in a safe condition.
    When I am over that way I will try to swing by and take a picture of the sign.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    So, I was in a large sporting goods store in Crawfordsville yesterday to pick up a firearm that I had ordered. The gentleman said I would have to leave the store with it in a locked case. I asked why, he pointed to a sign on the wall that stated that this point was within 1000 feet of a school and all firearms entering or leaving must be in a locked case. I may or may not have had my IWB piece on me. I asked him if he needed me for the next few minutes and he said no, I was waiting on the background check. I walked out of the store and may have divested myself of some incriminating equipment. When I walked into the store the first time I looked for a no guns sign and didn't see anything and being a sporting goods store that sells firearms I didn't think it would be an issue. The second time I entered the store I saw the sign to the far left of the doors. The moral of this story is look two or three times for signs just to cover your six.
    A few things the fed law doesn't apply if you have a LTCH, it also doesn't apply if you're on private property. All you would have to do is walk out and put it in your trunk before you left the parking lot.
    At one time I lived within 1000 feet of a school
    So how is that law supposed to work for a homeowner
    I live I'm guessing less than 200 ft from a school. Heck I used to walk to pick up my daughter from it open carrying. That law doesn't apply on private property or if you have a LTCH.
    Rural king in Frankfort is the same way, across from the school, but not sure if all RK’s are that way, didn’t think so.
    They aren't.
    This is my understanding as well.

    As to the sign at the door…. Are you sure OP that they weren’t written for instances where people were bringing guns in for service, trade-in, etc? It’s been a few years now but seems like I remember seeing a sign at a Gander Mtn one time that had verbiage to that effect. If you just glanced at it, it seemed to be saying “no guns allowed” but was really about making sure guns being brought for business purposes in were in a safe condition.
    I've seen variations of it several places. Guns carried for self defense keep it in your holster, bringing one in for any other reason service/sale/trade/buying a holster/etc have it in some sort of case/box/bag/whatever just don't come walking in with it in your hands. Gander Mtn went one further they check at the door and make sure it was unloaded and put a trigger lock on it. Or at least they did many years ago.
     

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    Rural king in Frankfort is the same way, across from the school, but not sure if all RK’s are that way, didn’t think so.
    There’s no school nearby, but when I bought a gun at the Fort Wayne Rural King a few years ago, someone escorted me directly to the door from the gun counter. Last gun I got there about a year ago, they handed me the gun in the manufacturer’s S&W cardboard box as it had come to them and let me leave the gun counter to continue wandering the store as I pleased. When I finally paid for the items I’d bought in the store subsequent to my gun purchase, I had to tell the register dude that I’d already paid for the gun as he was about to try to run it through his register! Guess they’ve given up with the escorting.
     

    Frosty

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    There’s no school nearby, but when I bought a gun at the Fort Wayne Rural King a few years ago, someone escorted me directly to the door from the gun counter. Last gun I got there about a year ago, they handed me the gun in the manufacturer’s S&W cardboard box as it had come to them and let me leave the gun counter to continue wandering the store as I pleased. When I finally paid for the items I’d bought in the store subsequent to my gun purchase, I had to tell the register dude that I’d already paid for the gun as he was about to try to run it through his register! Guess they’ve given up with the escorting.
    Same scenario in the Avon store. I bought a ruger precision, they said you can’t handle it because it doesn’t have a trigger lock, but as soon as the paperwork was done, here’s your 15 pound rifle in a giant box to wander aimlessly through the store with while you find your wife and kids :laugh:
     

    LtScott14

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    Do signs carry the weight of a new law? They are a rule of a private property entity. If you are discovered carrying, they can ask you to leave. Cops could be called if you refuse.

    Secure wrapper: Isn't a brown paper covering with taped end a secure wrapper, Bag or similar?
    Aren't they just trying to sell you something? Factory case or box, unloaded of course.

    Concealed is concealed in my eyes. If the place has signs(not withstanding casinos, schools,Govt buildings, Postal Office,Courtrooms) just do your mission and don't do a Doc Holiday spin of your pistol!
    Now since Constitutional Carry is lawful here, expect more signs and maybe open carry with exceptions of location.
     

    TheGrumpyGuy

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    Same scenario in the Avon store. I bought a ruger precision, they said you can’t handle it because it doesn’t have a trigger lock, but as soon as the paperwork was done, here’s your 15 pound rifle in a giant box to wander aimlessly through the store with while you find your wife and kids :laugh:

    I'm sure they just wanted to get your payment fully processed before you pulled that loaded magazine out of your back pocket, inserted it in your new toy, and did a mag dump on them and the other patrons in the vicinity
     

    Frosty

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    I'm sure they just wanted to get your payment fully processed before you pulled that loaded magazine out of your back pocket, inserted it in your new toy, and did a mag dump on them and the other patrons in the vicinity
    Yes, I’m sure that’s it. A loaded magazine of .300 win mag weighs more than my carry gun :lmfao: Not to mention how spectacular Mag dumps are from bolt guns!:runaway:
     

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    I have my LTCH. I started getting it back in December and I just decided to keep going with it even thought we passed constitutional carry.
    Then you had absolutely no reason to disarm. Your LTCH exempts you from the 1000 foot rule.

    I STRONGLY recommend you take Guy Relford's Fundamentals of Indiana Gun Laws class. It sounds like you need it. What else do you not understand about the law? (no offense intended)
     

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    Do signs carry the weight of a new law? They are a rule of a private property entity. If you are discovered carrying, they can ask you to leave. Cops could be called if you refuse.
    You just answered your own question: no, signs do not carry the weight of law.

    Secure wrapper: Isn't a brown paper covering with taped end a secure wrapper, Bag or similar?
    Aren't they just trying to sell you something? Factory case or box, unloaded of course.

    Concealed is concealed in my eyes. If the place has signs(not withstanding casinos, schools,Govt buildings, Postal Office,Courtrooms) just do your mission and don't do a Doc Holiday spin of your pistol!
    Now since Constitutional Carry is lawful here, expect more signs and maybe open carry with exceptions of location.
    Still don't care. A business can put up whatever sign it wants. I'm not obliged to comply with it.
     

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    You just answered your own question: no, signs do not carry the weight of law.


    Still don't care. A business can put up whatever sign it wants. I'm not obliged to comply with it.
    Like LtScott put it. It's a rule not a law. It's up to the property owner to enforce their own rule by asking you to leave. Then if you refuse and only then can it become a matter of law if you are trespassed.
     

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    I was a permitted Illinois resident (Lord have mercy on my soul). The local mall had no gun signs at the main entrances. Those signs had weight of law. I would go to the book store entrance that had no signs then enter the mall through the book store entrance. There was not a sign there either. According to the law that also covered the way the signs had to be posted I was legal. I did turn on my phone video to record my trip in just in case. The stupid rest stops in Illinois are no gun with weight of law places. Make me get 16 hours of training I have to pay for, I will pay attention.
     

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    Gander Mtn went one further they check at the door and make sure it was unloaded and put a trigger lock on it. Or at least they did many years ago.

    A few years ago, I went into a shooting range at a local Bass Pro shop. At the front door, they checked my range guns to see that they were unloaded, and then put a lock on them, to be opened inside the range (which was upstairs inside the store.) I found it particularly amusing since I was also legally carrying with a license as well. I wasn't shooting my EDC that day, so my range guns were nicely locked up for the walk through the store, while my EDC was in a holster on my person, loaded, as normal.


    And to the OP, as mentioned above:
    1. The Gun Free School Zones Act specifically exempts license holders and also does not apply to private property. See 18 USC Sec 922 (B)(i) and (B)(ii). For "not private property", it becomes probably illegal for those carrying under Constitutional Carry and without a license, but I am not directly aware of any prosecutions under that statute for those who were fully otherwise legal (e.g. not a prohibited person or doing other illegal things). But IMO another (of the many) good reasons to get a LTCH even in a Constitutional Carry state.
    2. The signs don't have any "force of law" in Indiana.

    Oh, and IANAL
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    Secure wrapper: Isn't a brown paper covering with taped end a secure wrapper, Bag or similar?
    Aren't they just trying to sell you something? Factory case or box, unloaded of course.
    Depends, do you think tape would meet the federal definition of a lock? Here is the applicable section of code. I remember from years ago a member was told to take it out to his car, but he was free to bring it back in with his receipt and get a refund if he'd like iirc. In that case I don't think they were trying to sell anything, just comply with what I'm sure is corporate policy.

    (iii) which is--
    ``(I) not loaded; and
    ``(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms
    rack which is on a motor vehicle;
     
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