Offical Sandy Hook Report released.

[Yup!]

Everything you own can and will be used against you!

This is just one more reason why I don't go around killing people.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

For now I have my own opinion. Until I see better evidence.

I'd like to hear your opinion on why you think this is fishy or a cover-up.

 

[jrogers]

I'd like to hear your opinion on why you think this is fishy or a cover-up.

Presumably the same reason people tend to think most heinous acts are cover-ups: they just can't fathom that a single person or small group of people is capable of such an unthinkable act, so they assume that a larger, more powerful entity with vast resources is really to blame. Everyone knows that the US government can bomb the living daylights out of a building, but when Timmy from down the street does it the mind boggles and looks for a less surprising scenario.

edit: 20 kids are dead due to that lunatic. I don't find the theories credible in the least, and I don't want to believe it. It's horrific.

 

[Lebowski]

Police waited 6 minutes after arriving before entering. They heard shooting and still did not enter. No they didn't commit the act but they didn't succeed in stopping it either, which seemed to be within their means and their job. Didn't columbine teach Leo's anything?
the whole story is fishy. Proof of the truth is all around. Separating truth from fiction will take time and I wouldn't trust the authorities to find it. For now I have my own opinion. Until I see better evidence.

Fishy indeed, but just like at the Navy Yard shooting, SWAT were told to 'stand down' until specialized forces could arrive at the scene. Probably the case at Sandy Hook too.


As to the conspiracy theories, and those who ask, what is there to gain from something like this? Simple: Get the masses to hate guns. Slowly begin the push towards disarming. We won't see it in our lifetimes, not fully, but I think we'll continue to see more bans, "limits" and restrictions due to all of this. Fact is gun ownership has increased over the past few decades and overall gun related violence has decreased. But black guns are scary and they can be used for bad, so they should be banned.


Take a look at the photos of Adam Lanza's bedroom: Photos From Sandy Hook Shooter Adam Lanza's Home - Business Insider I copied some particular ones and re-uploaded them elsewhere to show below:

Oh no! Targets with holes! Someone had fun with a .22

Not another target!

Wannabe mallcops beware, buy your BDUs with cash only!

AHH!! It's a black gun! AGHH! Look at these books! AHHH!





I'm not going to deny the fact that something horrible happened that day. Don't mistake this as me downplaying a very serious issue. I'm just saying... I'm keeping my mind open to all possibilities here.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

the whole story is fishy. Proof of the truth is all around.

What is fishy? Can you give us a bill of particulars.

What is this truth that you reference?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Presumably the same reason people tend to think most heinous acts are cover-ups: they just can't fathom that a single person or small group of people is capable of such an unthinkable act, so they assume that a larger, more powerful entity with vast resources is really to blame. Everyone knows that the US government can bomb the living daylights out of a building, but when Timmy from down the street does it the mind boggles and looks for a less surprising scenario.

edit: 20 kids are dead due to that lunatic. I don't find the theories credible in the least, and I don't want to believe it. It's horrific.

I've been a cop for 19 years and have seen some truly ****ed-up ****, so I can fathom pretty much anything. Hence my disbelief of a conspiracy or cover-up.

 

[Manatee]

The kid was nuts. His mother was in denial and not the most stable person on the planet. Result: Bad things happened.

Americans rarely are sufficiently organized enough to hit their ass with both hands, much less conspire with one another in an effective manner.

 

[jamil]

The kid was nuts. His mother was in denial and not the most stable person on the planet. Result: Bad things happened.

This example where a doting mom, an absentee dad, and a kid with a lot of mental problems combined for a disastrous result. Yet instead of looking for solutions to that problem, our press and government tries to make it into a problem which gun control can solve.

 

[crispy]

This example where a doting mom, an absentee dad, and a kid with a lot of mental problems combined for a disastrous result. Yet instead of looking for solutions to that problem, our press and government tries to make it into a problem which gun control can solve.

If the crazies didn't have access to any guns, I don't think the thought of driving a car at high speed through the bus pickup line would ever occur to them...

 

[Blackhawk2001]

RE: the comment about: "Didn't the leos learn anything from Columbine?"

Emergency response planning is not monolithic, and neither is training around the country. There is no "standardized" procedure for mass shooting incidents; no standard for police/fire/ems training in these areas, so various jurisdictions conduct their training (or not) as their chains-of-command deem reasonable. The delay in entering the school between the time the first officers arrived and the last shot was fired might have as much to do with "gearing up" as it did with getting organized to enter the school. Second-guessing the school, police, etc. is an easy way to ease into a conspiracy. After all, what WE can see so clearly after the act HAD to have been evident to those on the scene at the time? Right?

 

[yotewacker]

The report said an AR was found next to his body inside the school. And I have confirmation from two Connecticut State Police homicide detectives that I went to a training class with that both an AR and a shotgun were used in the incident.

That's funny a Newtown officer who was one of the first on the scene said a pump shotgun was found in the trunk of the car. No AR was found. He also stated only a handful of empty pistol casings was found on the floor.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

That's funny a Newtown officer who was one of the first on the scene said a pump shotgun was found in the trunk of the car. No AR was found. He also stated only a handful of empty pistol casings was found on the floor.

Did you talk to the Newtown officer personally?

 

[churchmouse]

The kid was nuts. His mother was in denial and not the most stable person on the planet. Result: Bad things happened.

Americans rarely are sufficiently organized enough to hit their ass with both hands, much less conspire with one another in an effective manner.

Mostly true.

Conspiracy's take effort....lots of effort and secrecy. Most folks I know can't keep a secret to save themselves.

 

[Hookeye]

I find the 100% kill rate (none wounded) a bit odd.

 

[uberpeck]

Was anyone else watching the events on the television the day this happened? If so, you will remember skycams capturing video of a foot based pursuit of suspects by the police. I remember it clear as day. The police eventually caught the suspects in the woods and the chopper cams even caught the officers handcuffing those guys on the ground. There were two of them. What happened to those guys?

This is is why conspiracy exists, because the events are not fully explained?

 

[Noway Jose]

I find the 100% kill rate (none wounded) a bit odd.

I find Ingo's reading comprehension to be more odd. Two adults were shot and survived.

 

[68_F100]

f. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own
affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?

e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled
substance?

Not sure some of you guys should be answering no to these questions.

Just sayin

 

[churchmouse]

Was anyone else watching the events on the television the day this happened? If so, you will remember skycams capturing video of a foot based pursuit of suspects by the police. I remember it clear as day. The police eventually caught the suspects in the woods and the chopper cams even caught the officers handcuffing those guys on the ground. There were two of them. What happened to those guys?

This is is why conspiracy exists, because the events are not fully explained?

If memory serves those 2 were questioned and released.

 

[jamil]

I find the 100% kill rate (none wounded) a bit odd.

Well, he fired 138 rds. They had reported that each victim was shot multiple times. I'm not at all surprised that the people he shot, he shot dead.

 

[lucky4034]

The report said an AR was found next to his body inside the school. And I have confirmation from two Connecticut State Police homicide detectives that I went to a training class with that both an AR and a shotgun were used in the incident.

The shotgun was found in the trunk of the car... confirmed by video