NRA going soft?

[Denny347]

Not sure but it seems that the NRA agreed to the legislation with minor changes that really have no effect on the law as written. Why go from 100% against it to 99% for it with a 1% change in wording that is almost meaningless?

http://rt.com/usa/154116-nra-huffpost-domestic-abuse/

 

[rambone]

Why go from 100% against it to 99% for it with a 1% change in wording that is almost meaningless?

Its a recurring question. They back federal gun control; promote federal no-rights lists; book speeches promoting the War on Terror.

They haven't gone soft, the leaders are Judas Goats.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I always liked this illustration of the history of our gun rights, and how they've been wittled away

http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/gun-compromise-law-dog.png

Sounds similar to how people may view the NRA's stances today. Yeah, they've made some concessions in order to win elsewhere. That's politics. We don't like it, and it may not end well for us, but that's just how it's happening.

 

[indiucky]

the leaders are Judas Goats.

I saw them in concert years ago and had no idea they are now with the NRA...Cool...

 

[You'll shoot your eye out]

The NRA has BEEN soft for as long as I remember. They are at best completely ineffectual. There are those who will call them a "false flag" organization at worst. Either way They are not doing us any good.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[MisterChester]

The NRA has BEEN soft for as long as I remember. They are at best completely ineffectual. There are those who will call them a "false flag" organization at worst. Either way They are not doing us any good.

They have been ineffective in states that need them the most. The recent victory in Michigan is one out of few. There are still states that follow the unconstitutional "may-issue" process of carry licenses.

 

[MisterChester]

I always liked this illustration of the history of our gun rights, and how they've been wittled away

http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/gun-compromise-law-dog.png

Sounds similar to how people may view the NRA's stances today. Yeah, they've made some concessions in order to win elsewhere. That's politics. We don't like it, and it may not end well for us, but that's just how it's happening.

We need to play the game by their rules. They'll try to chip away gun rights, and we need to put it back piece by piece.

 

[zippy23]

I firmly believe the NRA is the ONLY reason right now we have been protected from the latest rounds of gov't trying to take our guns. Obama and fienstein thought newtown was it, they went full out and the NRA won. We won. I think the NRA has more balls than any other political organization out there.

 

[You'll shoot your eye out]

I think the NRA has more balls than any other political organization out there.

This could be very true, yet still here we are getting nowhere fast. Even If they have balls, they are only one. The number of the ball-less organizations is legion.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

NRA going soft?

No, they got what they wanted and protected those not subjected to federal disqualification and protected the rights of those disqualified by being able to regain their guns once the NCO or PO is vacated or expires.

Not sure but it seems that the NRA agreed to the legislation with minor changes that really have no effect on the law as written.

It has a big affect.

1. There has to be an order.

2. The guns do not escheat but go to family and friends where they will be easier to recover upon vacation or expiration of the order.

3. The WA law adds nothing that is not already federal law.

Those changes, Bassett and Wilkie wrote, include altering a provision that will now, if signed into law, allow alleged abuser to surrender their guns to friends and family instead of the state. And although it might only be a minor edit,

It is not a minor edit, especially in light of the failure of a single person in the Washington legislature to vote against it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

They haven't gone soft, the leaders are Judas Goats.

Washington State is the home of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).

Where was SAF/Strictly Against Firearms? Off litigating against INGO members again?

Oh, BTW, the big wookie gun rights outfit in Washington, GOAL, is officially neutral on this.

http://wagoal.org/wordpress/

Where are the libertarians? Why won't they defend our rights?

1840 as passed: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/Session Laws/House/1840-S.SL.pdf

 

[Kirk Freeman]

More on the bill: Domestic violence bill one step from becoming law | KING5.com Seattle

Boy, here's a shocker, SAF says: "While the Second Amendment Foundation can’t take a stance on legislation because it’s a non-profit, a spokesman says the bill would only temporarily take away the gun rights of those accused of domestic violence."

 

[Kirk Freeman]

hey haven't gone soft, the leaders are Judas Goats.

No one is buying your nonsense.

 

[eatsnopaste]

I saw them in concert years ago and had no idea they are now with the NRA...Cool...

I think I was at that show! Didn't they open for Metallica?

 

[eatsnopaste]

escheat...

Learned a new word today! (two, allodial also) I will try escheat out on my cousin the attorney....

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I saw them in concert years ago and had no idea they are now with the NRA.

Judas Goat rocked. I saw their American Zone tour.

They opened with "I want my pony and I want it now".

Then they did "Hurry up and fix the car while I sit inside it and read science fiction (because I care about Liberty)".

They closed with a rousing live version of "Give me, give me, give me, now, now, now".

 

[rambone]

No one is buying your nonsense.

I live in your head. Rent free.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I live in your head. Rent free.

More nonsense.

I was calling out your lies from a previous post in the thread. No one believes them anymore, ram.

 

[rambone]

"...shall not be infringed..."

unless RCW 9.41.040 and 2011 c 193 s 1 claim its OK to infringe.

Because the government giveth rights, and the government taketh them away.