A friend of mine told me this the other day and I didn't believe him. Just worked some google magic and found this little gem, which backs up what my friend told me.
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A friend of mine told me this the other day and I didn't believe him. Just worked some google magic and found this little gem, which backs up what my friend told me.
This has surfaced also Video: Officer Harless also lost temper on earlier arrest - Canton, OH - CantonRep.com
SirRealism
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I assumed an FoIA request would take longer, and so here was the answer I got: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...o_execute_ohio_ccw_holder-15.html#post2035299
I can't listen to the interview right now, but from the comments quoted, that's probably an accurate estimation. The "logic" goes like this: Much as a small child might wear his shiny toy pistols around the house or in the back yard while playing cowboys and indians/cops and robbers, you as the parent must make him take them off when going to the store or to church or some such... it's inappropriate to play with those toys in that place, even if it makes your child cry. You as the parent are the responsible one, and you must teach your child what is proper.
He seems (again, from the quoted comments) to not realize that our guns are not carried as toys to feel like we're big and bad or any of that
, but rather tools to do a job, a job we hope to see enough people doing that we won't have to use those tools to do it; you might be able to effectively tighten a screw that holds the leg on a table in your child's room with your fingers, so you don't have to go out to your garage and find the allen wrenches in the toolbox. (I recently had to do just that, but it was at my daughter's apartment, and I don't carry allen wrenches with me in the car... Had that been a tool needed to save a life, not just make-do until I could go home and find them, I would have been S.O.L.)The attitude is, as others have said, disgusting. You're elected to help run a city, not to be our "father"... We're not children who need to be managed and trained and guided, we're responsible adults... and your employers.
Blessings,
Bill
Excellent! I'm sure more damning evidence will surface from the Canton cesspool.
Yep, it was not an "isolated incident," as the police union claimed. Surprise, surprise.
Video: Officer Harless also lost temper on earlier arrest - Canton, OH - CantonRep.com
Calls for Canton City Council President, Alan Schulman (the invisible mayor's attack dog) to resign:
Gun group calls for Schulman, Harless to resign - Canton, OH - CantonRep.com
In addition to Harless and Schulman, the mayor, the chief of police, and, I suspect, a number of the PD command staff need to get the boot. The problem in Canton is not isolated with Harless; it is systemic from the mayor to the city council to the PD.
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"I’m just saying you can’t tar and feather our city based on one incident,” he [Schulman] said. “Our city is much bigger and much better than this particular incident."
How does he not *get* that it's not "the city" people are inflamed about...it's THE OFFICER! (And those who would "cover" for him)
True!
The officer (Harless) is a glaring symptom of a much deeper disease that exists in the Canton PD, the City Council, and the Mayor.
Removing just one symptom will not do anything to cure the disease.
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Consider that Ohio is slowly coming out of a liberal, socialist cancer (remember Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (sp?)) and it will take time for the chemo and radiation to root out all the malignant cells. The concealed carry bill was a miraculous event even though it was terribly written. That was a real break through. The legislature is gradually making it right. It will take awhile for enough people to wake up and root out all the old school wackos in cities like Canton. When I look at our neighbors to the east and west I'm truly thankful that I live in a very good state.
While I agree that the Officer in Canton was not performing his job in a professional manner, calling him a PIG is uncalled for.
Many LEO's consider the term PIG every bit as bad as the "N" word when referring to Black People.
Many LEO's consider the term PIG every bit as bad as the "N" word when referring to Black People.
henktermaat
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Yup!!Ohh no, here comes the PC police with their panties in a bunch.
I understand this sentiment, but I can't agree with it. The problem here as I see it is a larger, systemic one that is found in many jurisdictions around the country. You have a local governmental apparatus that does not agree with the state-imposed legislation, and now informally enforces their own version of said legislation by tacitly agreeing amongst the police, district attorney's office, and local legislative functions (mayor, city council, etc) to use doublespeak to facilitate the contravention of the legislation, and then back each other up on it by downplaying or even overlooking it.
You see it very plainly here in this Canton example, but we've discussed it ad nauseam on this very forum when we've discussed how open carry mysteriously becomes "disorderly conduct" in the more liberal/more populated areas. The aim, in practically all instances, is to intimidate the citizenry and thereby modify their behavior to that which satisfies the local government's wishes. Their protection in doing so is in the form of grey areas -- it's exceedingly difficult to even bring a case against such behavior, and even in extreme incidences where a trial or hearing results, the penalties are either so bland and toothless as to be worthless, or not enforced at all. Our Federal government does this regularly, and it has become a de facto way of life all around our country. The dissonance in such strategies is breathtaking, both in its simple effectiveness, and in its brazenness. There is literally nothing within the bounds of the law that can be effective against it.
The question then becomes, what to do in such cases? One big reason I moved away from Illinois is because it was crystal clear that not only do I not think like the bunch north of I-80, but to not do so was to effectively jeopardize one's own liberty, given the level of malfeasance at the local governmental levels. Now I live in Indiana, where they embrace many of the same ideals that I do. I was fortunate enough to have the means and resolve to vote with my feet, but I recognize that not everyone does, and that breeds situations much like what we saw in Canton, and in Indy, etc. I refuse to be at the arbitrary mercy of anyone.
I hope this pathetic excuse of a cop, and his partner, both go to jail for a long time on civil rights convictions, but I doubt seriously that it'll happen. If any part of the governmental apparatus sides with these guys, then I have to consider them to be of the same cloth. And to me, that means the law has now become whatever the biggest, baddest participant in a given situation decides it is. That's not what our country is about, but that's what it seems to be coming to, and that's heartbreakingly unfortunate.
Just my opinion. Some assembly required, batteries not included. Your mileage may vary.
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Not sure I agree with this. The couple friends that I have who are LEO don't let it bother them. After all PIG is an acronym for Prestige, Integrity and Guts.
Still not sure where it derives from. Cop is simple.
And this Cantop cop does not fit my friends and my own definition of PIG.
The Prestige, Integrity and Guts acronym was used by the FOP in the early 70's as a foil to the long haired anarchist types calling us that.
It never caught on with LEO's from my generation because we were the same age as the simpletons who were using it derogatorily, and we knew full well what they meant when they used that term.
Like I've said, it's every bit as offensive to some LEO's as the"N" word is to Black People.
However I suppose some childish individuals can't resist the urge to hurl insults at an entire group of people because of the actions of someone like the idiot in Canton.
greyhound47
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Listening to this officer's tirades reminded me of my days on the job. He is either a hot-head bully or he is very afraid of his job and very stressed out. Either way, he is no professional and needs to go.
Yup!!I've known that type too and was glad when they left the Profession.
Usually not on their own accord either.
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