Looking for .22LR rifle that works for me

[wtburnette]

 

[doddg]

Dialed the .22 rifles back for 25 yds.
I used one of the 25 yd targets bought for the 22 rifles.

Took 3 bolt-actions looking for the pecking order in my hands.
Used CCI SV & want to do it all over again with Aguila SE HV to see if results the same.

The CZ 455 was dismal b/c I couldn't see using a Hawke 3-9 scope w/o a parallax.
I'm taking it off & putting the Athlon on it.
I'm not having an issue with the Hawke 4-12 & the 3-9 that have a parallax on the RPR & Savage FV.

Sorry about target being too busy.
2 rows/10 targets each of:
- CZ 455 (scope issues)
- Savage FV-SR
- RPR

The red circles are 1" with a 1/2" white circle inside.
I put the raw score & the % of accuracy for both 1/2" & 1" for each row.

Savage FV the winner today.
RPR not far behind.
CZ 455 dismal, but probably all my fault since optic not working for me:
- couldn't adjust scope to see crosshairs & the circles clearly
- if crosshairs crisp, I was seeing more than 1 circle
- if crosshairs too faint, I could barely see 1 circle
- I compromised with seeing crosshairs faintly, with the circles being fuzzy, but at least only seeing one.

I had some decent groups, but at 25 yds, I should have had all 5 rds inside the red circle easily.
My goal will be to get all rounds into the 1/2'' white circle.
Since I was at the indoor range I could only use the front rest.
Crosshairs were moving around more than at the outdoor range.

Overall Total average of both 1/2" & 1":
- 74% Savage FV-SR
- 68% RPR
- 44% CZ 455

 

[breakingcontact]

Sell me the 455.

 

[doddg]

Sell me the 455.

It took me months to even let the Ruger 10/22 go b/c I liked it for many reasons, none of which was its accuracy.

 

[zachcz]

Sell me the 455.

It’s well known on here that the cz is moving to shelbyville when doddg is done with it

 

[zachcz]

Dialed the .22 rifles back for 25 yds.
I used one of the 25 yd targets bought for the 22 rifles.

Took 3 bolt-actions looking for the pecking order in my hands.
Used CCI SV & want to do it all over again with Aguila SE HV to see if results the same.

The CZ 455 was dismal b/c I couldn't see using a Hawke 3-9 scope w/o a parallax.
I'm taking it off & putting the Athlon on it.
I'm not having an issue with the Hawke 4-12 & the 3-9 that have a parallax on the RPR & Savage FV.

Sorry about target being too busy.
2 rows/10 targets each of:
- CZ 455 (scope issues)
- Savage FV-SR
- RPR

The red circles are 1" with a 1/2" white circle inside.
I put the raw score & the % of accuracy for both 1/2" & 1" for each row.

Savage FV the winner today.
RPR not far behind.
CZ 455 dismal, but probably all my fault since optic not working for me:
- couldn't adjust scope to see crosshairs & the circles clearly
- if crosshairs crisp, I was seeing more than 1 circle
- if crosshairs too faint, I could barely see 1 circle
- I compromised with seeing crosshairs faintly, with the circles being fuzzy, but at least only seeing one.

I had some decent groups, but at 25 yds, I should have had all 5 rds inside the red circle easily.
My goal will be to get all rounds into the 1/2'' white circle.
Since I was at the indoor range I could only use the front rest.
Crosshairs were moving around more than at the outdoor range.

Overall Total average of both 1/2" & 1":
- 74% Savage FV-SR
- 68% RPR
- 44% CZ 455
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I think I misread. Can you say it again......

did I read the savage is the winner yet again

 

[SgtFury]

Have you sidereal a custom stock? Surely someone could create something for you?

 

[2in1evtime]

Friend of mine may have the same issue as you do, he used a cantilever like you are but added about 1.5" of lift, instead of a cheek weld it is more of a jaw weld. works for him.

 

[doddg]

Friend of mine may have the same issue as you do, he used a cantilever like you are but added about 1.5" of lift, instead of a cheek weld it is more of a jaw weld. works for him.

My cantilever rings need to be higher on the CZ 455 & the RPR.
The Savage FV doesn't pain the neck as much of the others with its cantiliver set up: it must be higher.

 

[2in1evtime]

My cantilever rings need to be higher on the CZ 455 & the RPR.
The Savage FV doesn't pain the neck as much of the others with its cantiliver set up: it must be higher.

You can get riser blocks, thats how all his rifles are set up. looks funky but works for him, with my neck issues i may go that way some day too

 

[doddg]

Have you sidereal a custom stock? Surely someone could create something for you?

The CZ 455 has a Boyds At-One Rifle Stock.

The RPR has an adjustable stock & comb.
Quick-Fit adjustable Precision Rimfire stock allows:
- length of pull and
- comb height
- quickly and easily adjusted to get proper fit over a wide range of shooter sizes.

 

[doddg]

You can get riser blocks, thats how all his rifles are set up. looks funky but works for him, with my neck issues i may go that way some day too

Thanks for the tip.
I just spent the last 40 minutes researching the "riser blocks" & have ordered 2 of them which will hopefully work on the RPR & CZ 455.
If so, I will order more as needed.
I only had 1 set up with cantilever rings & scope that actually was too high, first time that happened.
That was b/c that particular rifle, the CZ 457 Training Rifle, had quite a bit of "drop" to the stock (don't know correct term), so I didn't really need the higher cantilever rings on it.

 

[doddg]

Mystery solved, I think, will know in an hour when at Pt. Blk.
It occurred to me from what I've learned here that since the Hawke 3-9 scope w/o the parallax was fuzzy b/c perhaps it was set from the factory for 100 yds & 25 yds is too close.
I've even had this issue at 50 yds & I missed it, since the other Hawke scopes do just fine, but they have a parallax adjustment.

Today, when I looked through the Hawke w/o the parallax adjustment, it was fine at 100 yds away, but looked fuzzy at
25 yds, just like at the indoor range.
Then it hit me!

I put the Athlon Neos 6-24 x 44 on the CZ 455 Varmint 22.
Now going to shoot the CCI SV that I used yesterday & see the expected improvement.
Then I plan to use a different brand of ammo for all 3 rifles to see the difference.
CCI SV has not always won the ammo brand award with my rifles, & other brands have been neck & neck in the past.
My goal for now is looking for rifles that consistently do 80% (4/5 rounds) at 1/2" at 25 yds., & in my dreams: the occasional 100% (5/5 rds) at 1/2."

 

[wtburnette]

CCI SV is pretty consistent for lower priced ammo, but usually can't compare with match grade ammo. For price/performance it's hard to beat though. Hope you get the results you're looking for during your range trip...

 

[zachcz]

Let us know how bad the 250 dollar savage beats up on your twice the money rifles

 

[doddg]

Let us know how bad the 250 dollar savage beats up on your twice the money rifles

You do not disappoint!
I don't know why I find you so funny, but your humor is like someone I've known for decades!
I have a life-long friend who thinks whatever car they are driving or whatever hunting rifle or scope they have is the best & if you don't agree, you are just wrong.

My oldest friend here on INGO told me over 3 yrs ago when I inquired about rifles & he wanted to spare me my arduous journey & rabbit hole like I have done with handguns:
- Savage
- Ruger
- CZ

Fairly sage advice & I have owned only from those 3 choices (outside of 3 Henrys) b/c he knew that they were a good beginning for me.

 

[doddg]

CCI SV is pretty consistent for lower priced ammo, but usually can't compare with match grade ammo. For price/performance it's hard to beat though. Hope you get the results you're looking for during your range trip...

I put an Athlon Neos 6-24 x 44 on the CZ 455 Varmint 22 & reshot the CCI SV that I used yesterday.
I had great hopes of outperforming the Savage & RPR with my newest CZ.
Didn't happen.
I saw improvement, but not as much as I expected.
I came up from 44% to 60% average combining both the 1/2" & 1" stats.

I know it's on me.
I can make a good rifle look average or fair b/c of my flaws.

I hope to learn enough at the 25 yd indoor range this winter to improve this coming summer at MCF&G.
I want to dedicate a rifle to each of the 25, 50 & 100 yds this summer just for fun.

 

[doddg]

Took the same 3 bolt actions (Savage FV-SR, RPR & CZ 455 Varmint) back to the range today.
This time I used Aguila Super Extra, HV with SRN (solid round nose).
Stats weren't as good as with CCI SV.

Total averages of 1/2" & 1" using Aguila SE:
RPR = 64% (68% w/CCI SV)
CZ 455 = 60% (44% w/bad scope yesterday, but 60% with better scope today: both w/CCI SV)
Savage FV-SR = 39% (74% w/CCI SV)

 

[doddg]

You can get riser blocks, thats how all his rifles are set up. looks funky but works for him, with my neck issues i may go that way some day too

A follow up: I got the 2 Picatinny 1" riser mounts in the mail today.
Spent all afternoon playing with scopes & rails.

I tried to put a riser mount on the CZ 455 Varmint bolt action since it had the lowest distance from the receiver to the bottom of the scope: 12/16," which was a pain in the neck, literally.
Note: I thought this might have something to do with it's poor performance in my hands Wed & Thurs, even though changing out the scope on Thurs helped some.

Unfortunately, I found that the proprietary CZ rail I bought for the bolt action has a section cut out of the rail fitting over the ejection port & the rail mount had 3 "posts"/"bolts" & the middle one has no "slot" to fit down into.
I'll have to buy a riser mount with only 2 posts/bolts connecting to the CZ rail that avoids the ejection port by connecting only on the sides of the CZ rail.
Pics below could be helpful.
I could simply grind off the middle "post" that the bolt screws into.

 

[2in1evtime]

they have shorter blocks where you could just use 2 and keep your ejection port more open