Leaked/breaking:Roe v. Wade expected to be overturned

[Creedmoor]

I ain't all that smart but if I have 100$ and rent is 100$, I have a roof over my head. If someone gives me 100$ to pay for rent , I now have a roof and a house party.

What's the term for that transaction?

You equate that with saying a corporation is cooking the books?

 

[foszoe]

You equate that with saying a corporation is cooking the books?

Just wondering what the technical term is for it.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

You equate that with saying a corporation is cooking the books?

What do you mean cooking the books? They don't have to cook the books; if they have a building where they do abortions, and they pay $5,000 a month in rent, they're 100% allowed to take money from government grants, pay the rent (as long as they also use the building for other "services" that the grant was given for, like contraception or STD testing or whatever.) If this allows them to keep a location open that wouldn't otherwise be financially viable, then all of the sudden you have abortions being done where they couldn't be done without the government funding, even though technically the money never paid for an abortion. No book-cooking required.

Better yet, if they were already managing to make enough money to pay the rent, or other expenses, and along comes the government funding to pay for those expenses, now they suddenly have extra income. That extra income can be used, say, to offer higher pay for a talented CEO who can go on national news shows and promote Planned Parenthood's agenda, resulting in a wider audience and maybe even more donations to their PAC. The PAC can then make donations to the politicians who voted to fund PP, and you get a nice little kickback going. Again, all perfectly legal and no cooking the books required.

 

[BugI02]

Fungibility refers only to the equivalence and indistinguishability of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity, and not to the exchange of one commodity for another.

You mean like PP receiving government grants and then donating money to political candidates from the party who awarded them those grants and the federal dollars being indistinguishable from the private donations due to 'fungibility' so that PP is essentially laundering money for and providing kickbacks to Dem politicians? That kind of fungibility?

 

[Creedmoor]

You mean like PP receiving government grants and then donating money to political candidates from the party who awarded them those grants and the federal dollars being indistinguishable from the private donations due to 'fungibility' so that PP is essentially laundering money for and providing kickbacks to Dem politicians? That kind of fungibility?

Nope, I gave a definition of fungibility.
You're the one saying they are breaking the law laundering money.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Which *we all know is indirectly funding abortions due to fungibility of money.


*those that understand fungibility.

That's that ammo that disintegrates if it hits a hard object, right? Fungible ammo?

 

[Creedmoor]

Just wondering what the technical term is for it.

Technical term for what?

 

[BugI02]

On a related note. According to Planned Parenthood, Abortions only account for 3% of their business. After the ruling, they announced a BUNCH of clinics were closing. I thought they were all about womens health, pap smears, birth control pills, etc?

If suddenly your business had to stop selling a product that only accounted for 3% of your business, would YOU close down because of it? It doesnt pass the sniff test.

3% of their business, based on number of procedures, but perhaps a much higher percentage of their profits. Can't sell fetal tissue without a steady supply of fetuses

 

[foszoe]

That's that ammo that disintegrates if it hits a hard object, right? Fungible ammo?

So it's impossible to test when used against a politicians stance

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Nope, I gave a definition of fungibility.
You're the one saying they are breaking the law laundering money.

No one said they were breaking the law. The federal funding for non abortions simply allows them to divert a larger amount of other funding towards abortions. Let's say my wife and I budget X amount of money per month for food, X for mortgage, X for utilities, X for entertainment. You come along and give us X amount but tell us we can't use it for let's say entertainment. We can then divert X amount from wherever we spend it to entertainment. We didn't use the money you gave us towards entertainment, we spent it on food. Now money we would have spent on food is now free to spend on entertainment. Or heck we could even spend it directly on entertainment and abide by the rules. We have a date night and spend the cash you gave us on dinner, see it's not spent on entertainment it's spent on food. See below for how that would work for PP.

3% of their business, based on number of procedures, but perhaps a much higher percentage of their profits. Can't sell fetal tissue without a steady supply of fetuses

And that 3% of procedures, isn't actually 3%. It's much higher. An abortion consists of multiple procedures of which they only count the actual abortion. So pregnancy test, ultrasound, consultation, etc are all part of the abortion but they tally them with non-abortion related procedures because they aren't the actual abortion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/12/for-planned-parenthood-abortion-stats-3-percent-and-94-percent-are-both-misleading/

Planned Parenthood’s pathetic ‘3 percent’ lie

The nation’s premier provider of abortions doesn’t want to be known for providing abortions. Planned Parenthood, embroiled in a scandal over secret videos capturing its cavalier dismemberment of un…

nypost.com

 

[Creedmoor]

No one said they were breaking the law. The federal funding for non abortions simply allows them to divert a larger amount of other funding towards abortions. Let's say my wife and I budget X amount of money per month for food, X for mortgage, X for utilities, X for entertainment. You come along and give us X amount but tell us we can't use it for let's say entertainment. We can then divert X amount from wherever we spend it to entertainment. We didn't use the money you gave us towards entertainment, we spent it on food. Now money we would have spent on food is now free to spend on entertainment. Or heck we could even spend it directly on entertainment and abide by the rules. We have a date night and spend the cash you gave us on dinner, see it's not spent on entertainment it's spent on food. See below for how that would work for PP.

So in your words you admit Planned Parent hasn't broken any laws. With that you're argument is a moot point.

 

[Ingomike]

So in your words you admit Planned Parent hasn't broken any laws. With that you're argument is a moot point.

No, wrong is wrong. Lots of wrong things are legal. Playing shell games with taxpayer dollars is wrong.

 

[Cameramonkey]

So in your words you admit Planned Parent hasn't broken any laws. With that you're argument is a moot point.

Nobody has said its illegal. We are just saying the trope "no taxpayer money goes to abortions" is technically false.

Not everything that is wrong is illegal. rules =/= laws

 

[BugI02]

So in your words you admit Planned Parent hasn't broken any laws. With that you're argument is a moot point.

Not quite. It is more like the 2020 election fraud. It is strongly suspected that they are breaking numerous laws, it simply cannot be proven at this time

Think of them as more like Al Capone

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So in your words you admit Planned Parent hasn't broken any laws. With that you're argument is a moot point.

Nope. They haven't broken any laws that I know of, but federal funding still goes towards abortions by redirection. In my example above you give me $200 and say I can't use it for entertainment, so I take my wife out for dinner and a show and use it for the dinner and snacks thereby spending it on food not entertainment. Would you consider it cheating the system?

How about if I took said $200 and put it towards the mortgage payment then took the $200 of my money I was going to spend towards the mortgage and did the same?

 

[Creedmoor]

Not quite. It is more like the 2020 election fraud. It is strongly suspected that they are breaking numerous laws, it simply cannot be proven at this time

Think of them as more like Al Capone

It hasn't been proven with PP in almost 50 years now. Its all a moot point.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

It hasn't been proven with PP in almost 50 years now. Its all a moot point.

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It hasn't been proven that PP is doing anything illegal with the money given them by the government, precisely there's no need for them to break the letter of the law in order to do what they want with that money.

However, it has been proven, on video, many times, that PP is breaking federal law in other things, for instance, by profiting from selling body parts of aborted babies. They've also been caught breaking health regulations, reporting requirements, and many other things on multiple occasions (such as the PP right here in Bloomington that was so flagrantly in violation of basic health requirements that eventually even our nut-case liberal authorities here in Monroe County had to give them a slap on the wrist for it a few years ago.)

So far Democrats and Democrat-appointed judges have blocked any attempts to hold them accountable for any of this, with the most blatant case being one trial where the judge even went so far as to refuse to allow the video of PP execs haggling over the price of body parts to be shown during the trial. That's right, they wouldn't even allow video of the very thing supposedly being investigated to be used as evidence. The system is so blatantly and obviously corrupt, it's hard to get across just how screwed up it is, because just describing the way events played out sounds almost too ridiculous to even believe.

And before you ask why Republican/conservative judges haven't taken them to task, the answer is, in many cases, they have. Sadly, it hasn't happened at the national level, thanks to spineless RINO's, but there have been many cases at the local level where PP had to shut down "clinics" due to health violations and so forth. Why else do you think, even before Roe v Wade was overturned, the vast majority of PP locations were consolidated to liberal states, or liberal "sanctuary" counties like Monroe and Marion here in Indiana?

But no, just keep living in your fantasy world where activist judges' rulings mean more than video evidence and eyewitness testimony that has been published for all to see for years now.

 

[Creedmoor]

It hasn't been proven that PP is doing anything illegal with the money given them by the government, precisely there's no need for them to break the letter of the law in order to do what they want with that money.

However, it has been proven, on video, many times, that PP is breaking federal law in other things, for instance, by profiting from selling body parts of aborted babies. They've also been caught breaking health regulations, reporting requirements, and many other things on multiple occasions (such as the PP right here in Bloomington that was so flagrantly in violation of basic health requirements that eventually even our nut-case liberal authorities here in Monroe County had to give them a slap on the wrist for it a few years ago.)

So far Democrats and Democrat-appointed judges have blocked any attempts to hold them accountable for any of this, with the most blatant case being one trial where the judge even went so far as to refuse to allow the video of PP execs haggling over the price of body parts to be shown during the trial. That's right, they wouldn't even allow video of the very thing supposedly being investigated to be used as evidence. The system is so blatantly and obviously corrupt, it's hard to get across just how screwed up it is, because just describing the way events played out sounds almost too ridiculous to even believe.

And before you ask why Republican/conservative judges haven't taken them to task, the answer is, in many cases, they have. Sadly, it hasn't happened at the national level, thanks to spineless RINO's, but there have been many cases at the local level where PP had to shut down "clinics" due to health violations and so forth. Why else do you think, even before Roe v Wade was overturned, the vast majority of PP locations were consolidated to liberal states, or liberal "sanctuary" counties like Monroe and Marion here in Indiana?

But no, just keep living in your fantasy world where activist judges' rulings mean more than video evidence and eyewitness testimony that has been published for all to see for years now.

You mean the 2016 court case against PP?

 

[BigRed]

Not keeping up with this thread regularly.

Who did those crack investigators determined leaked this ruling ahead of time?

 

[AndreusMaximus]

You mean the 2016 court case against PP?

I mean the videos taken by CMP. I'm not aware of any cases where these videos were actually shown in court.