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[KG1]

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If I’m not mistaken it seems like you were taking issue with Biden voters in a previous post as well. I believe you said something to the effect that if they aren’t with us then they are duplicitous.

How is that not virtue signaling?

 

[jsx1043]

If I’m not mistaken it seems like you were taking issue with Biden voters in a previous post as well. I believe you said something to the effect that if they aren’t with us then they are duplicitous.

How is that not virtue signaling?

I suppose it is, although in a very “meta” way. I guess it depends on what virtues you’re signaling: liberty, self-responsibility, independence and self-determination; or subjugation, government reliance and authoritarianism.

You can’t say you believe in the first set and vote for the second. I prefer the former and would rather hang out with folks that would protect and defend our constitution, rather than those who seek to subvert it.

 

[Tombs]

If I’m not mistaken it seems like you were taking issue with Biden voters in a previous post as well. I believe you said something to the effect that if they aren’t with us then they are duplicitous.

How is that not virtue signaling?

It's more about knowing and warning about those who will stab you in the back during a time of need.

 

[bobzilla]

Don’t worry. We were told that gun control is a loser and will never be an issue with this administration. And if they were wrong they’d leave the forum. They’re still here so this is all just fake news

 

[KG1]

It's more about knowing and warning about those who will stab you in the back during a time of need.

I get all that. It just appeared to me like he was calling out others for virtue signally for basically saying the same thing in fewer words.

 

[jamil]

Some here voted for it.

The reason it’s important is because you’re either part of the problem or you’re part of the solution. Duplicity is suspect. You can’t support the Constitution while simultaneously voting for those who constantly seek to dismantle it, regardless of electoral votes and whatnot. It’s as simple as that. It would be different if it wasn’t blatantly obvious that extreme anti-2A measures were on the ballot.

If you vote against the Constitution, will you get in the van when the time comes to defend it?

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More binary thinking. I’m not looking to change their minds. None of them voted FOR gun control though if we’re being honest. They voted against Orange Man Bad. They all said that they didn’t think gun control would happen. They judged poorly. When you say “they voted for it” you’re essentially making a claim that it’s what they wanted. That’s just intellectually dishonest. Or Idunno, at best maybe it’s only angry ignorance.

 

[jamil]

Don’t worry. We were told that gun control is a loser and will never be an issue with this administration. And if they were wrong they’d leave the forum. They’re still here so this is all just fake news

Well, I don’t see CampingJosh or PaulF posting anymore. But then the gun control hasn’t passed yet. It’s obviously going to be pushed very hard by this administration. I think if their first round fails the mob will demand an end to the filibuster and that will give political capital to end it. And then all manner of progressive **** will flow from congress to the white house like cheep beer binge projectile diarrhea.

It as for the gun owners here who voted for Biden, all we owe them is a snarky “toldjah”.

 

[jamil]

I suppose it is, although in a very “meta” way. I guess it depends on what virtues you’re signaling: liberty, self-responsibility, independence and self-determination; or subjugation, government reliance and authoritarianism.

You can’t say you believe in the first set and vote for the second. I prefer the former and would rather hang out with folks that would protect and defend our constitution, rather than those who seek to subvert it.

They said over and over that they did not believe that Biden could get it done. You can say they judged poorly. You can even put it back in their faces. But saying they voted for gun control when they told you their reasons is, as I said, at best, angry ignorance.

 

[jamil]

It's more about knowing and warning about those who will stab you in the back during a time of need.

Oh. So now they’re all traitors. This sounds pretty much like the left. Same rules, different application.

 

[jamil]

It’s not about whether their votes mattered.

That still does’nt negate the fact that they voted for Biden in spite what we’re all facing here.

I guess it’s more important to some than others and they are gonna keep making it well known.

As I’ve been saying I think it’s fair to say it was foolish, as gun owners, for them to vote for Biden. He promised throughout the campaign to make that a priority.

But people here are turning it into a sort of purity test and using it to “other” people. That’s a piece of human nature people would do well to override with reason.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

So the point is that we shouldn't be reminded there are those among us who would vote for gun control, restrict yours and mine constitutional rights? Pass...

Lets keep...

 

[IndyDave1776]

They said over and over that they did not believe that Biden could get it done. You can say they judged poorly. You can even put it back in their faces. But saying they voted for gun control when they told you their reasons is, as I said, at best, angry ignorance.

The absolute most charitable assessment I can offer that I consider realistic is to say they did the equivalent of taking the rent money to the horse track knowing before they left the house they would definitely lose.

 

[Floki]

President Harris flat out said she would use EOs toward gun control measures in the primaries.

Far too much truth here

 

[jwamplerusa]

They said over and over that they did not believe that Biden could get it done. You can say they judged poorly. You can even put it back in their faces. But saying they voted for gun control when they told you their reasons is, as I said, at best, angry ignorance.

Sorry, have to disagree. If you're voting for the communist (AKA the Democrats) then you are quite literally voting for gun control. In fact you are specifically voting for destroying the second Amendment and effectively making only the state the holder of weapons.

That is clearly delineated in the Democratic Party platform for 2020.

"Democrats will enact universal background checks, end online sales of guns and ammunition, close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers, abusive partners, and some individuals convicted of assault or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check system. We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms. Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We will incentivize states to enact licensing requirements for owning firearms and extreme risk protection order laws that allow courts to temporarily remove guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others. We will pass legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes. And Democrats believe that gun companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability. "

That is what voters for the communists voted for. Elections have consequences. And for those who vote in a manner which subverts the Constitution it should have consequences. The firearms issue is not one of arguable policy. Is a fundamental and foundational element of our Republic. One which was explicitly identified and was explicitly protected from governmental influence. The Democratic Party platform is absolute evidence of their goal to subvert the Constitution.

It's really quite simple, words mean things. When you put them in writing people should expect you to execute them. That's the party's stated platform.

Now, if you think that above quoted passage is unpleasant, spend some time reading the other 91 pages of garbage. https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/2020-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf

Do I think that every individual that pushed a button or pulled a lever for the communist candidates wanted this level of gun control? No not really. They did however vote for it, and they are all too likely to get it whether they wanted it or understood what was in the party platform.

Remember, the austrians voted the national socialist in to power and welcomed Hitler and the Nazis with smiles and waves as they rolled in to their country. It took only months for many of them to realize the mistake they had made.


Personally I would rather take a fellow citizen who is ignorant of our nation's history and educate them so that they might fully appreciate our constitution and the contemporaneous documents that help explain it. However, for those which refuse to learn or that simply do not cherish the Constitution and what it has bestowed upon the citizens of this nation I no longer have the patience or tolerance to bother with them. As has been true all over the world through out civilization people who are at odds with their government often leave and form their own. I will hold the door open for them at the border.

To be very clear however; My ire is not primarily focused upon the common voter. My true disgust is directed at elected representatives who with the utterance of their oath to support the Constitution proved beyond a shadow of a doubt their perjury and their enmity toward this nation by their allegiance to the Democratic Party platform.

 

[printcraft]

So the point is that we shouldn't be reminded there are those among us who would vote for gun control, restrict yours and mine constitutional rights? Pass...

Lets keep...

QFT

Sorry, you don't get to vote for restricting and removing my God given rights and not expect to get called on it.
They voted knowing what was in store, they could have abstained, they made a point not to.
**** em.
If they don't like it they can ignore or just GTFO.

 

[Expat]

QFT

Sorry, you don't get to vote for restricting and removing my God given rights and not expect to get called on it.
They voted knowing what was in store, they could have abstained, they made a point not to.
**** em.
If they don't like it they can ignore or just GTFO.

Yeah but mean tweets made them cry.

 

[Tombs]

Oh. So now they’re all traitors. This sounds pretty much like the left. Same rules, different application.

I don't recall any policies from the right that would give at least 1/3rd of the country a choice between surrendering their God given rights or dying?

 

[maxipum]

Well, I don’t see CampingJosh or PaulF posting anymore. But then the gun control hasn’t passed yet. It’s obviously going to be pushed very hard by this administration. I think if their first round fails the mob will demand an end to the filibuster and that will give political capital to end it. And then all manner of progressive **** will flow from congress to the white house like cheep beer binge projectile diarrhea.

It as for the gun owners here who voted for Biden, all we owe them is a snarky “toldjah”.

Well you do you, leave me out of it if you think that’s all we owe them.

 

[maxipum]

Oh. So now they’re all traitors. This sounds pretty much like the left. Same rules, different application.

Well bless your heart, you think the left has a rule book? Yep it’s called by any means necessary. I will not sit idly by and if you or anyone else doesn’t like it. Well pucker up.......