Interesting dna dilemma

[Shadow01]

question,

if you are related to me distantly and want to have your dna in a search database and we have identifiers/markers that we share, wouldn’t that mean the shared portion is not solely owned by you and therefore you can’t openly share it in a database without my consent?

 

[R3p1lc3]

How would you know you share any until after the fact?

 

[Expat]

Wut?

 

[Shadow01]

How would you know you share any until after the fact?

You share a portion with all of your past relatives and future offspring. I guess the point of law that needs to be explored is if the person that wants to share to a database would be required to get permission from all living persons that share markers with them.

 

[R3p1lc3]

That seems like it would just halt all voluntary sharing.

edit: which I'm fine with.. The implications of restricting sharing of the "shared" portion would be an interesting legal argument.

 

[HoughMade]

...wouldn’t that mean the shared portion is not solely owned by you and therefore you can’t openly share it in a database without my consent?

No.

 

[Shadow01]

That seems like it would just halt all voluntary sharing.

edit: which I'm fine with.. The implications of restricting sharing of the "shared" portion would be an interesting legal argument.

This is the point of the thread.

 

[HoughMade]

Would you like to claim ownership of everyone who kinds looks like you?

You cannot claim ownership of someone else's DNA because sequences are shared. It is someone else's DNA. Not yours.

If you want limits on private DNA testing services making information available to law enforcement, work that angle. Don't try to limit other people's rights.

 

[OneBadV8]

Would you like to claim ownership of everyone who kinds looks like you?

can I claim them as dependents?

 

[R3p1lc3]

Would you like to claim ownership of everyone who kinds looks like you?

can I claim them as dependents?

The argument getting silly quick is all I foresee.

 

[Expat]

The argument getting silly quick is all I foresee.

That's because we all know the answer and even confirmed by one of our resident legal eagles. You can list your own DNA all you want without getting permission from any rapists or serial killers in your family.

 

[Ingomike]

Would you like to claim ownership of everyone who kinds looks like you?

You cannot claim ownership of someone else's DNA because sequences are shared. It is someone else's DNA. Not yours.

Thanks, as I expected when I read the post above.

If you want limits on private DNA testing services making information available to law enforcement, work that angle. Don't try to limit other people's rights.

Far more concerned with what has been reported the Chinese are doing with the DNA data this.

That said on my short list of constitutional concerns is the government buying information that would be slam dunk unconstitutional if they tried to collect it themselves. This type of data should always require a warrant for government to possess.

Recently the IRS using AI on baking records they should not have access to without a specific warrant. The access to credit reporting companies data, again without warrant.

 

[red_zr24x4]

Thanks, as I expected when I read the post above.


Far more concerned with what has been reported the Chinese are doing with the DNA data this.

That said on my short list of constitutional concerns is the government buying information that would be slam dunk unconstitutional if they tried to collect it themselves. This type of data should always require a warrant for government to possess.

Recently the IRS using AI on baking records they should not have access to without a specific warrant. The access to credit reporting companies data, again without warrant.

Yeah, the IRS doesn't need our baking records, I don't wanna share my cookies or bread with them

 

[bgcatty]

Seriously?

 

[Brad69]

This DNA stuff can be surprising.

‘I slept with my half-brother’: Woman’s horror story reflects loosely regulated nature of US fertility industry

More than 30 doctors around the country have been caught or accused of covertly using their own sperm to impregnate their patients, advocates say they know of at least 80.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[WebSnyper]

The amazing part (in one sense but then not really) is that people pay $$ to these services to submit their DNA and give up so much privacy. That said we see it every day with Facebook and other services (though there people sign up to be the product for free).

 

[Cameramonkey]

The argument getting silly quick is all I foresee.

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[Cameramonkey]

The amazing part (in one sense but then not really) is that people pay $$ to these services to submit their DNA and give up so much privacy. That said we see it every day with Facebook and other services (though there people sign up to be the product for free).

30 years ago: "shhh. The spies are tapping our phones. Be careful what you say."
Today: "Hey spy, add spaghetti noodles to the grocery list."

 

[Tactically Fat]

Don't try to limit other people's rights.

Hold on there, Chief. This is INGO. The Republicans here only want to limit the rights of those that disagree with them.

 

[Ingomike]

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