If I Was A Felon

[BlackDog714]

****ing A, sounds like Fienswines wet dream...

If someone is so dangerous that when they get out of prison they are LIKELY to re-offend (gun or no gun) WTF are they out of prison? Have the punishment fit the damn crime and let them have their rights back. If they are not able to deal with freedom, why are they being released? This **** is so ****ing simple my 7 year old daughter gets it, why cant the politickers?

 

[ModernGunner]

If I was a felon, and wanted a firearm, I would go to the nearest gun show, look for a private seller, and buy me some guns. Has any Evansville INGOers seen the paper? 8 "felons" were arrested, with a total of 23 hand guns confiscated. I know everyone is against gun control, as am I, but something has to be done to curb this. Maybe the private sellers at gun shows should at least ask to see an LTCH. These guns were not stolen, they had to be bought at gun shows. If I ever have a booth at a gun show, be prepared to show an LTCH, or you wont buy a gun from me. That is just crazy. Responsible gun owners, should also be responsible sellers.

Interestingly, this does nothing to address the actual issue, that the criminal is illegally buying a gun. Perhaps had the OP stated something like "How about a 10 year mandatory minimum (that means no plea bargains, no good time, no early release) jail sentence for any felon caught even attempting to purchase a gun?", perhaps there might've been a more positive response. Instead the OP chooses to put the burden on the law-abiding to somehow prevent or diminish the conduct of the law-breaking.

Here's a suggestion that wasn't proffered: How about we make it illegal for a 'prohibited person' to buy a firearm? Well, just pass a few laws stating it's illegal for a criminal to buy a gun! That should stop 'em dead in their trac... Oh wait, we already HAVE that. Doesn't work. Nor have any of the other 20,000+ laws we already have on the books.

The best 'option' for 'gun control' for any law-abiding gun owner is also the easiest (though perhaps not the most expedient). Don't sell a firearm to someone you don't know, well.

Addressing a different 'concern' mentioned: The concept that "any free wo/man should be able to own a gun, even an ex-felon. S/he 'paid' their debt to society. If s/he's still 'so dangerous' s/he should still be locked up", is short-sighted, and ludicrous, for several reasons.
1) It discounts the fact the felon was a law-breaker to begin with, and has proven their willingness to commit a crime.
2) It supports the false belief that the felon is 'just wanting to look out for her/himself and family. Obviously, if that were true, they wouldn't have been out committing crimes. And it's a slap in the face to every person that busts their hump every day to provide for them and theirs without committing crimes.
3) It ignores the fact that the convict may not have 'paid' her/his debt to society per the written requirements of the law by perhaps getting a 'soft' judge, a reverse of decision due to some 'technicality' (even though s/he actually did it), etc.
4) It disregards that the convict may have received a 'benefit' which s/he received only by 'expedience loopholes'. 'Expedience loopholes' would be things like 'good time', 'early release through over-crowding', 'reduced sentence' for some 'convenience' to LE agencies just wanting to make their jobs easier, and so forth.

No gun-buying 'reinstatement' for ex-convicts until those issues are rectified. The best way to 'avoid' the negative repercussions (like non-gun ownership after release) of committing a crime is, again, the easiest: Don't do the crime.

 

[Gordy]

Ok, you may have a ton of posts under your belt, so it's time to stop typing and start reading. First, you have no clue where they came from. Frankly, for all you know the ATF sold them those fine shooters. Why do you make scarrrrryyyy guns show the target? It sounds like you're repeating the dinosaur medias comments. Those individuals are convicted criminals, felons. They know it's illegal for them to possess a firearm. Hum, last time I read the Constitution, there were no NAZI calling for universal background checks. Our forefather understood that criminals would get guns and they should be punished for it. Punish the criminal for the crime......NOT ME! The last time I sold a hammer I didn't do a background check. Last time I sold a knife I didn't do a background check. A gun is a tool to fight for and maintain freedom in America. Keep that in perspective. If our forefathers thought we needed UBC and gun registration, they'd have put it in the Constitution.

 

[Robjps]

If I was a felon, and wanted a firearm, I would go to the nearest gun show, look for a private seller, and buy me some guns. Has any Evansville INGOers seen the paper? 8 "felons" were arrested, with a total of 23 hand guns confiscated. I know everyone is against gun control, as am I, but something has to be done to curb this. Maybe the private sellers at gun shows should at least ask to see an LTCH. These guns were not stolen, they had to be bought at gun shows. If I ever have a booth at a gun show, be prepared to show an LTCH, or you wont buy a gun from me. That is just crazy. Responsible gun owners, should also be responsible sellers.

You would not make a good felon if you have to go to gunshow to get a firearm.

 

[AA&E]

Honestly, I have similar concerns as the original post writer. I personally choose to not sell anything at gun shows for this reason to private individuals. I have walked around gun shows and been approached dozens of times in the span of a couple hours by a several people. I told each one of them (and one of them several times) I wasn't interested. I have an important job with the DoD, I don't need the scrutiny of a firearm that leads back to me being used in the commission of a felony because I wanted to make $100 to $300 more then a dealer would have given me for it.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

[strike]I conquer.[/strike] Er... I concur....

Does that make you " L. Concurador"???

 

[tenring]

Why is it that we never see a news conference, whereby it is shown the trail of a firearm is done by running the serial numbers, showing the general public just how a certain firearm wound up in a criminal situation?

 

[nakinate]

Wait a minute, you're telling me that felons were caught breaking the law? Whoa. My mind is blown.

 

[HoughMade]

A quick search led me to this article.
http://m.14news.com/#!/newsDetail/25207344

Nowhere in this article does it say these guys bought guns at gun shows. Further, one guy is a non-felon who is accused of straw purchases, presumably because he could pass a background check.

....so tell me again how background checks for private gun sales are going to stop the illegal gun trade?

 

[j4jenk]

A quick search led me to this article.
http://m.14news.com/#!/newsDetail/25207344

So........according to this article, at least seem of the guns were acquired via straw purchase. Even Eric Holder's magic bracelets, a waiting period, and a background check wouldn't stop that. Looks like we are back to criminals being criminals. I mean it's not like they still cocaine even though it is 100% illegal everywhere.

 

[Slawburger]

Does that make you " L. Concurador"???

 

[6mm Shoot]

It has been stated many times, if you make guns illegal only criminals will have them. Well you will make criminals out of a lot of us. Because I'm not giving up mine.

If you want to buy more guns go to a working class bar and spend a couple nights a week their and some one will have a gun for sale. Most of the time it will be because something come up that they didn't plan for. Life is like that. Some times you have to sell stuff to pay for what comes up.

There is no law you can pass that will stop criminals from getting guns that hasn't been passed. We already have all the laws we need to keep criminals from getting guns. What we are lacking is the people to enforce the laws that we have. Every year there are thousands of people that try to buy guns out side the law and no one arrests them. When a criminal tries to go through a back ground check and is denied no one comes to arrest them. They have just broken the law. It is my understanding that only 26 or so were prosecuted last year out of the thousands that were denied by the federal government.

 

[jaybird_123]

Indiana had a universal background check for handguns from 1974 until 1998 when it was repealed as feckless.

Name one prosecution under Indiana's UBC. Name one crime prevented under Indiana's UBC.

Most criminals obtain firearms via burglary, theft and from family: frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

The remainder of the criminal class obtain guns from FFLs. FFLs who run background checks. Perhaps another background check would prevent this?

What do you propose? Making Burglary or Theft more illegaler? Make FFLs conduct three background checks?

How will you regulate 3-D printed guns in the very near future?

I`m not pinning this on FFL`s. My statement was that "private" gun sellers at gun shows, at least need to ask to see an LTCH. There is no government agency involved in that. Felons get guns by stealing them, sure, but a big percentage of the guns are bought from "private" sellers at gun shows.

 

[jaybird_123]

So the gun buyer that does not have a LTCH should not be able to buy from a private seller in your eyes??? Not everybody who is not a convicted felon, has a LTCH.

Divide and concur my friend.

That is also true, and I`m sorry. Those without an LTCH, will have to go thru a FFL. That is a small price to pay to help keep guns from felons.

 

[jaybird_123]

This. That is all.

Read the OP, I`m not talking burglary here.

 

[jaybird_123]

That is not your humble opinion, its a stone cold FACT.

Asking to see a LTCH is not a background check.

 

[HoughMade]

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...but a big percentage of the guns are bought from "private" sellers at gun shows.

What is the percentage of guns used in crimes that were acquired by a felon who could not pass a background check, from a private seller at a gun show? What is the source and how was the data gathered?

Surely no one would make this statement without actually having a reliable source.

 

[red46239]

2) A Gun Law Everyone Can Support

Jack - That is an interesting (and well-written) concept. In my opinion, the biggest problem that I see with your idea is: "The federal website legally cannot store info about Sam’s request and his approval, other than that the unique number is valid for a certain period." First, I would bet that the Dems would most certainly try to remove any portion of the proposal that makes it illegal to store the information about the request. If removed, most gun owners would not participate (IMO). Second, if the bill was passed with this portion attached, it would be relatively easy a few years down the road for them to take that one section out (most likely stuck on the back of another bill that we 'really need to pass').

I would also bet that the Dems would fight tooth and nail to make this a mandatory requirement, not optional.... and we know that making it mandatory would cause a problem with gun owners.

If it was presented exactly as you laid it out, I would support it. I like the idea of having a system in place that I can (voluntarily) verify for my own piece of mind that the person I am selling to is a 'proper person' and that there is no privacy compromised. I also like the idea of being able to sell to someone from another state without the FFL requirement.

Personally, I have little faith left in the Republican Party to stand firm on the two items I mentioned above. I think that it would be too easy for some of them to bend on these two points as a 'compromise'.

Thanks for taking the time to put your ideas out there, it is definitely food for thought. I would recommend others read your idea as well. I would love to hear other INGOers thoughts.

 

[jaybird_123]

I have no problem with background checks, just as long as everyone understands its not stopping crime. Its just making the criminals find other methods. I mean, if there were no background checks, all the local gunshops would be selling guns to people that are gonna use them for evil. I dont really like that idea.
NICS makes it unlikely that a criminal will stop into your favorite gun shop and walk out with his new hipoint, to go pop someone, thats all. It doesnt even come close to stopping them from getting guns, it just makes them have to do it illegally, the way they do it now.

Remember, if they were to ban all guns tomorrow, and have "mr and Mrs America turn them in" they will disarm every law abiding citizen who complies, incriminate the ones who dont, and the real bad guys will still have their guns, that were illegal and untraceable to begin with.

Gun control doesn't work. Never has, never will. But politicians will not let facts and history get in the way.

I`m not talking gun control. As I stated in the OP, I also am AGAINST gun control. But also as I stated in the OP, we as responsible gun owners, need to be MORE responsible when selling guns. I am sure that all the private gun sellers at the guns shows are responsible, so they really to be a little more responsible and just stop selling to ANYBODY who walk up to them and lays the correct amount of money.

 

[findingZzero]

Reading the title, I kinda want to reply ID FELON IN THE MORNING, ID FELON IN THE EVENING.

I got "IF I were a felon, biddy biddy biddy biddy biddy bum. All day long I'd pistol whip a fawn if I were a lawless MAN!

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Name one crime prevented under Indiana's UBS.

WAIT! WHAT!? I could name hundreds but how would you check? See 'Minority Report'.....

Maybe its a blessing if they were bought at a gun show....might have been a violent burglary instead. What you freakin legislation-hungry hiptards refuse to understand, is that criminals don't obey the laws! ! !

They do before they become criminals. Laws help us determine who are criminals in the first place.
Whatsa 'hiptard?' And where can I get one.

Yes! It's about time someone said it!!
It's obvious that these felons are not responsible for their own actions, It has to be irresponsible gun owners!!

This is truer than you think. If felons were responsible, they wouldn't be felons. It takes a village to make a community safe. We have to be more responsibilerer.....

The best 'option' for 'gun control' for any law-abiding gun owner is also the easiest (though perhaps not the most expedient). Don't sell a firearm to someone you don't know, well. !

Socialist! Clannist! GANGIST! That's not Capitalism.....That's cronyism..... What if you're a lousy judge of character....? (ignore the name calling...)

And, finally, leave 'em with a pretty picture to soothe any ruffled feathers....