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  • narly charley

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    I moved to Illinois a few years ago, but still have a lifetime permit from when I was living with my parents.

    I know that it says you have 60 days to notify them of the new address. Did I lose everything about my permit when moving out of state? Just curious.

    Thanks!
     

    possum_128

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    When one moves to Illinois you lose everything. To answer your question, yes you must notify them of your move and your license is no longer good until you return to live in the free state of Indiana. If and when that happens contact the State Police and advise them that you are back living in Indiana and your license will once again be good.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    When one moves to Illinois you lose everything. To answer your question, yes you must notify them of your move and your license is no longer good until you return to live in the free state of Indiana. If and when that happens contact the State Police and advise them that you are back living in Indiana and your license will once again be good.

    Do you have a cite for the part that his license is no good until he moves back to IN? My understanding is notify them of your new address in a new state and the license is still valid. Although it wouldn't be in IL, it would be in IN and quite a few other states. Only a few states like FL that honor the LTCH require a resident license.
     

    narly charley

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    Thanks guys. If your facts are true, that's cool that it can still be valid. I'll contact the state and see what happens.

    Any more info would be helpful, if you find anything out.

    Thanks!
     

    narly charley

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    Here was the response I got from the Indiana State Police. FYI.

    "You will need to update the address on your handgun carry permit by going to the following site:
    https://firearms.ariesportal.com/

    However, Illinois does not recognize Indiana’s handgun carry permit. Basically they recognize their own and that is it.

    Indiana State Police"
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Do you have a cite for the part that his license is no good until he moves back to IN? My understanding is notify them of your new address in a new state and the license is still valid. Although it wouldn't be in IL, it would be in IN and quite a few other states. Only a few states like FL that honor the LTCH require a resident license.


    IANAL but I dont buy it. How can a "resident license" that is only valid for residents of the state of IN be valid when your primary residence changes to a non-Indiana address?

    The only exception I can see looking at the law real quick is if you live in another state but still work here "...and has a regular place of business or employment in Indiana..." (IC 35-47-2-3 Sec 3-a-3)

    So if I read that right, unless OP still works at a facility here in Indiana, it is no longer valid. However if he returns (or starts working again here) its active as long as that criteria is met. So if OP moved from Terre Haute to Marshall, IL but kept his job here, Once ISP was notified of the corrected address he was kosher. IF he moved to Marshall for a new job there, its not. But if OP moves back, he does NOT have to reapply for a new LTCH; Once ISP is notified of the new Indiana address (or new Indiana employer) it is active again.
     

    possum_128

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    IANAL but I dont buy it. How can a "resident license" that is only valid for residents of the state of IN be valid when your primary residence changes to a non-Indiana address?

    The only exception I can see looking at the law real quick is if you live in another state but still work here "...and has a regular place of business or employment in Indiana..." (IC 35-47-2-3 Sec 3-a-3)

    So if I read that right, unless OP still works at a facility here in Indiana, it is no longer valid. However if he returns (or starts working again here) its active as long as that criteria is


    met. So if OP moved from Terre Haute to Marshall, IL but kept his job here, Once ISP was notified of the corrected address he was kosher. IF he moved to Marshall for a new job there, its not. But if OP moves back, he does NOT have to reapply for a new LTCH; Once ISP is notified of the new Indiana address (or new Indiana employer) it is active again.

    This! Please show me where it is stated that a ltch, lifetime or not is still valid anywhere when you are no longer a resident of Indiana, except as stated about working in Indiana.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    IANAL but I dont buy it. How can a "resident license" that is only valid for residents of the state of IN be valid when your primary residence changes to a non-Indiana address?

    The only exception I can see looking at the law real quick is if you live in another state but still work here "...and has a regular place of business or employment in Indiana..." (IC 35-47-2-3 Sec 3-a-3)

    So if I read that right, unless OP still works at a facility here in Indiana, it is no longer valid. However if he returns (or starts working again here) its active as long as that criteria is met. So if OP moved from Terre Haute to Marshall, IL but kept his job here, Once ISP was notified of the corrected address he was kosher. IF he moved to Marshall for a new job there, its not. But if OP moves back, he does NOT have to reapply for a new LTCH; Once ISP is notified of the new Indiana address (or new Indiana employer) it is active again.

    That is for issuing licenses, not for keeping them. If a person that lives outside IN but work here gets a 4 yr and quits the next month, does that license become invalid?

    This! Please show me where it is stated that a ltch, lifetime or not is still valid anywhere when you are no longer a resident of Indiana, except as stated about working in Indiana.

    Can you show me anywhere in the IC that it is not? Although one of the members here emailed ISP and received the response that you have to update the address and it still remains valid. See post 30.
    https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...se/321226-lifetime-ltch-moving-out-state.html
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    Here was the response I got from the Indiana State Police. FYI.

    "You will need to update the address on your handgun carry permit by going to the following site:
    https://firearms.ariesportal.com/

    However, Illinois does not recognize Indiana’s handgun carry permit. Basically they recognize their own and that is it.

    Indiana State Police"

    Yep your IN LTCH will only be valid in states that recognize the IN LTCH and does not require the person to be a resident of the issuing state.
     

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    This! Please show me where it is stated that a ltch, lifetime or not is still valid anywhere when you are no longer a resident of Indiana, except as stated about working in Indiana.

    The criteria for revoking a LTCH are clearly written and "moving out of state" is not one of them. Show me where moving out of state means someone is either dead or no longer a "proper person". I know people with current and valid Indiana LTCH with their out of state address printed right on the license. You have to be a resident to be issued a lifetime LTCH, not to keep it.
     

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    The criteria for revoking a LTCH are clearly written and "moving out of state" is not one of them. Show me where moving out of state means someone is either dead or no longer a "proper person". I know people with current and valid Indiana LTCH with their out of state address printed right on the license. You have to be a resident to be issued a lifetime LTCH, not to keep it.

    That just doesnt make sense. So I move here for 6 months, get my lifetime, and move back to say, Ohio, I get to keep it? That cant be intentional.
     

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    That just doesnt make sense. So I move here for 6 months, get my lifetime, and move back to say, Ohio, I get to keep it? That cant be intentional.

    Legislators rarely put much thought into the real details or unintended consequences of their bills. Occasionally, their lack of foresight is our gain.
     

    possum_128

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    The simple fact that Indiana does not issue ltch to non residents except in cases of working in this state or by being a resident in itself should explain why it would no longer valid if the holder moves his residence to another state should be enough. It becomes valid again once they have a residence back in this state. As far as other state's honoring a Indiana lifetime license belonging to a person who is not a resident of Indiana remains to be seen. I am sure that would be on a state by state base.
    If I am wrong then would someone link the IC that's shows me I am wrong.

    I never stated that it would be revoked by moving out of state, just not valid while not a Indiana resident.
     

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    The simple fact that Indiana does not issue ltch to non residents except in cases of working in this state or by being a resident in itself should explain why it would no longer valid if the holder moves his residence to another state should be enough. It becomes valid again once they have a residence back in this state. As far as other state's honoring a Indiana lifetime license belonging to a person who is not a resident of Indiana remains to be seen. I am sure that would be on a state by state base.
    If I am wrong then would someone link the IC that's shows me I am wrong.

    You are attempting to imply that an initial application requirement somehow becomes a disqualifying factor after issue. The IC does not support your opinion.

    If it did, you would be able to cite it.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    The simple fact that Indiana does not issue ltch to non residents except in cases of working in this state or by being a resident in itself should explain why it would no longer valid if the holder moves his residence to another state should be enough. It becomes valid again once they have a residence back in this state. As far as other state's honoring a Indiana lifetime license belonging to a person who is not a resident of Indiana remains to be seen. I am sure that would be on a state by state base.
    If I am wrong then would someone link the IC that's shows me I am wrong.

    I never stated that it would be revoked by moving out of state, just not valid while not a Indiana resident.

    There is nothing in the IC about "inactivating" or "putting on hold" a LTCH, just revocation and suspension.

    No I can not. Can you cite the IC that doesn't?

    I can't cite something that's not there. I can cite the criteria for revocation/suspension though.
     

    possum_128

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    There is nothing in the IC about "inactivating" or "putting on hold" a LTCH, just revocation and suspension.



    I can't cite something that's not there. I can cite the criteria for revocation/suspension though.

    I fired off an e-mail to state police with the question. Will update when I get a response. Either way maybe we will all know which is correct. This is what I love about this place great learning and debate.
     
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