GOP attempts to hijack rEVOLution

[mrjarrell]

Change the signage and you can win the hearts and minds of the Paul supporters. Yeah, that ain't happening. Looks like they should have tried their best to get Paul to refuse to have Gary Johnson speak at the Paul fest. My guess is that not a lot of Paul supporters are going to vote for Obamney, no matter what the elites in the party do. They've gone out of their way to alienate them and they'll pay a price for that.

GOP attempts to hijack a rEVOLution as torch passes from Paul to Johnson : Liberty Underground

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

To the contrary... not all people that voted for Ron Paul in the primary were the militant types that you identify yourselves with. I, for example voted for Paul in the Primary - but will be voting Romney in the General - for reasons that I've already laid out.

Gary Johnson's numbers in this election will tell us the truth to this question: How many of Ron Paul's supporters favor the 3rd party route vs how many support the "steer the Republican battleship from within" strategy? Johnson's numbers represent the 3rd party route folks and Ron Paul's numbers in the primary - Johnson's = the steer from within folks. There may be some other noise as well - Constitution Party, and some who stayed home after voting for Paul - but I suspect the "stayed home" crowd will be small...

 

[poptab]

I think a lot of "us" just wont vote. I think a lot of "us" are starting to realize how badly the game is rigged. I knew it was rigged before this election season, I just did not realize how far widespread the corruption is in the Republican party at all levels.

 

[rambone]

how many support the "steer the Republican battleship from within" strategy?

Our chance to steer the party from within was in the primary. But, the banksters and globalists retained firm control. Now we grab the popcorn and watch the trainwreck.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Well, if history is any indicator, Johnson will be lucky to eclipse the 0.50% mark of the popular vote. Even if he doubles the last election's results, arguably with a worse GOP candidate than this year's, he'll still capture less than 1% of the vote.

I sincerely hope one of these years, they find somebody other than an 8th place GOP loser to run.

 

[Lex Concord]

I do find it an odd last-minute shift (rEVOLution => republiCAN), especially for a guy who's retiring.

I wonder if they "made him an offer he don't refuse"...no...not a threat....a favor...for him, or his far more establishment-palatable son....

I'll be interested to see who this alleged "mystery speaker" is...if he even exists.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

Lex - RP hasn't shifted... He's still leading the revolution... while Rand is certainly working from the inside. As I have said many times, Rand is going to be just mellow enough to appeal to the broader audience that you must appeal to in order to get elected.

Have a listen to Rand Paul talking with Larry Kudlow..

Did Ron Paul get a Fair Shake? - CNBC

There's a lot of hard core Libertarians that may not like it - but Rand is looking ahead.

 

[NYFelon]

This made me laugh...



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[ZombieApocolypse]

Gary Johnson's numbers in this election will tell us the truth to this question: How many of Ron Paul's supporters favor the 3rd party route vs how many support the "steer the Republican battleship from within" strategy? Johnson's numbers represent the 3rd party route folks and Ron Paul's numbers in the primary - Johnson's = the steer from within folks. There may be some other noise as well - Constitution Party, and some who stayed home after voting for Paul - but I suspect the "stayed home" crowd will be small...

How will voting for Romney "steer the Republican battleship from within" from a libertarian standpoint?

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

I sincerely hope one of these years, they find somebody other than an 8th place GOP loser to run.

And the GOP solution is to put up the guy, who lost to the guy, who lost to Obama Smart

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

How will voting for Romney "steer the Republican battleship from within" from a libertarian standpoint?

I'm not saying that the ACT of a person who voted for RP in the primary voting for Romney in the General will change anything...

I'm saying that it will give us a reasonable idea of the numbers of RP voters that approach the issue each way. Clearly, there's a lot of RP voters/sympathizers that are in favor of going third party - hence the crowd around here who are screaming that "both parties are the same, vote for Johnson etc.

There's also a lot of (often quieter) folks like myself - who agree with the libertarian position, but feel that it's more advantageous to work within the Republican party for now, and not wind up with more Obama. See some of the discussions in these threads in the past that I've had with ATM and others (Bapak2Ja comes to mind as well).

Two points regarding this:
1) The way this vote comes out will give us an idea of the raw numbers of each of the above groups. As opposed to the noise level. It won't change anything - but will provide us a reasonable estimate. That's useful for us to know where we stand.
2) These two groups share the same ideology - this ought to be remembered. The difference is a difference of opinion re: _how to get there_ . Sure we can debate the best way to accomplish things... but that debate in my mind ought to be kept as civil as possible - since the two groups SHARE the same goal for the most part. There is no point in me alienating Bapak2Ja or ATM for example - they are good people, and I agree with what they want as much as I agree with anyone. We just choose different paths to try to get it. Not a darn thing wrong with that.

 

[Jarhead77]

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I can't sit idly by...
How will tolerating 4 more years of Obama provide the change the RP supporters are looking for?
Are you really willing to waste your right to vote and put up with 4 more years of Obama?
What purpose does that serve?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to ignore the constitution that allows us so much?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to appoint new, liberal, justices that can make a mockery of our constitution and the freedoms we so enjoy?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to blow off laws that our representatives have written, again?

I know you are upset, I really do "get" that, but it seems like the bigger picture is not in focus at all.

I really am trying to understand, to educate myself and understand what it is you see that I'm not seeing.

 

[CountryBoy1981]

This made me laugh...



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Its not like it has not happened before. The Democrats were not Socialists like they are today, they were infiltrated by the hippies from the 60's. Are you saying that the hippies can take over a party but libertarians can't?

 

[CountryBoy1981]

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I can't sit idly by...
How will tolerating 4 more years of Obama provide the change the RP supporters are looking for?
Are you really willing to waste your right to vote and put up with 4 more years of Obama?
What purpose does that serve?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to ignore the constitution that allows us so much?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to appoint new, liberal, justices that can make a mockery of our constitution and the freedoms we so enjoy?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to blow off laws that our representatives have written, again?

I know you are upset, I really do "get" that, but it seems like the bigger picture is not in focus at all.

I really am trying to understand, to educate myself and understand what it is you see that I'm not seeing.

Some people find it more noble to shoot themselves instead of cutting off their right arm.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

How will tolerating 4 more years of Obama provide the change the RP supporters are looking for?

Some people dont see enough of a difference in Obamney to vote for either, so how will voting for Romney give us the change we want?

Are you really willing to waste your right to vote and put up with 4 more years of Obama?

Are you that confident Romney will do anything differently than Obama? Examples of how/what would be greatly appreciated

What purpose does that serve?

Hopefully someday the GOP will realize if they want our votes, they will quit presenting us with this garbage to vote for

You are willing to give him the opportunity to ignore the constitution that allows us so much?

Ummmm .... Romney has agreed with or supported the actions Obama has taken to destroy said document. So how will voting for Romney change what Obama has done?


You are willing to give him the opportunity to appoint new, liberal, justices that can make a mockery of our constitution and the freedoms we so enjoy?

or we can let Romney do the same

You are willing to give him the opportunity to blow off laws that our representatives have written, again?

Im sure Romney wouldnt do those things right?

I know you are upset, I really do "get" that, but it seems like the bigger picture is not in focus at all.

Everybody has a different "bigger picture"

I really am trying to understand, to educate myself and understand what it is you see that I'm not seeing.

I feel the same way

 

[Jarhead77]

I feel the same way

Zombie,
Thanks for the response. I do appreciate it. What is the source information that you site suggesting that Romney would do the same things that Obama has in relation to the constitution or blowing off laws currently written?
Thanks!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And the GOP solution is to put up the guy, who lost to the guy, who lost to Obama Smart

Continuing this logic, sort of restating the quote you quoted: The LP'ers will be voting for the guy that didn't even finish in the top 5 of the group that lost to the guy that lost to the guy that lost to Obama... Smarter.

 

[Hohn]

I think a lot of "us" just wont vote. I think a lot of "us" are starting to realize how badly the game is rigged. I knew it was rigged before this election season, I just did not realize how far widespread the corruption is in the Republican party at all levels.

That seems pretty cynical.

 

[sepe]

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I can't sit idly by...
How will tolerating 4 more years of Obama provide the change the RP supporters are looking for?
Are you really willing to waste your right to vote and put up with 4 more years of Obama?
What purpose does that serve?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to ignore the constitution that allows us so much?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to appoint new, liberal, justices that can make a mockery of our constitution and the freedoms we so enjoy?
You are willing to give him the opportunity to blow off laws that our representatives have written, again?

I know you are upset, I really do "get" that, but it seems like the bigger picture is not in focus at all.

I really am trying to understand, to educate myself and understand what it is you see that I'm not seeing.

I am really willing to "waste" my vote because I don't think 4 more years of Obama or a possible (but not likely) 8 years of Romney is tolerable. Neither of them are anywhere close to a quality candidate. I'm sorry more people aren't aware enough to see through the R vs. D in order to see that a sandwich is a sandwich regardless of the letter by the name.

 

[Jarhead77]

I am really willing to "waste" my vote because I don't think 4 more years of Obama or a possible (but not likely) 8 years of Romney is tolerable. Neither of them are anywhere close to a quality candidate. I'm sorry more people aren't aware enough to see through the R vs. D in order to see that a sandwich is a sandwich regardless of the letter by the name.

Sepe,

Thanks for the reply.
Just to clarify, I didn't say you were willing to waste your vote.

FWIW, bashing someone (suggesting that I'm not aware enough) who is trying to see through it doesn't do much to move your cause forward.