FoxNews Breaking: Prez will force prvt companies to pay OT to salaried employees

[Vigilant]

Before starting my own company, I have worked as salaried exempt most of my life. I never received overtime, but I also received full pay even if I was absent for a day or two at a time. I was also allowed flexibility during the workweek to take a long lunch, come in late, or leave early. OT, never, but I saw my flexible schedule and guaranteed money as the trade-off.

 

[HoughMade]

Before starting my own company, I have worked as salaried exempt most of my life. I never received overtime, but I also received full pay even if I was absent for a day or two at a time. I was also allowed flexibility during the workweek to take a long lunch, come in late, or leave early. OT, never, but I saw my flexible schedule and guaranteed money as the trade-off.

...and now as an owner, if there's no money at the moment, guess who doesn't get paid. Ask me how I know.

 

[Vigilant]

...and now as an owner, if there's no money at the moment, guess who doesn't get paid. Ask me how I know.

Exactly! That is why someone will have to be let go if this actually pans out.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I am salaried exempt, but I only get 1.0 time, not 1.5 time.

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

...and now as an owner, if there's no money at the moment, guess who doesn't get paid. Ask me how I know.

You know this because you ARE a business owner, some people don't know this because they were a community organizer!!

 

[HeadlessRoland]

The first thing MSNBC's Oliver Willis did was throw out "Bush did it too".

I don't give two ****s if Bush did it. He was wrong to do it, too. Gov doesn't belong in private businesses.

Absolutely loathe the "But Bush" crowd.

Ben Shapiro - How to 'Debate' a Liberal

 

[MisterChester]

I'm in the belief that no OT pay for salaried workers is very tricky to work with. It could potentially make them unproductive once they go over the 40-45 hour mark. Why work extra if it's unpaid? But that leads to a case of arguing against an hourly pay, which you get paid no matter what as long as you're on the clock. If there was a method to be paid based on productivity it would solve a lot of issues.

 

[HoughMade]

I'm in the belief that no OT pay for salaried workers is very tricky to work with. It could potentially make them unproductive once they go over the 40-45 hour mark. Why work extra if it's unpaid? But that leads to a case of arguing against an hourly pay, which you get paid no matter what as long as you're on the clock. If there was a method to be paid based on productivity it would solve a lot of issues.

Most employers i know of have some way of compensating salaried worker for "overtime", but the solutions can be as many and varied as the employee and employer can come up with. That's the beautiful thing about freedom.

For instance, before I worked myself into ownership, extra production over a certain threshhold meant I took home a percentage in addition to my salary. Also, I had a huge amount of flexibility as far as when I was in office and when I was not. As long as I was getting the work done, I could essentially come and go as I pleased. I may work a lot of hours one week and take a day off for a field trip the next. My call. We still have that system for the associates.

 

[dross]

I'm a salaried exempt employee and have been for the last 21 years. Before that I was in the Army.

To me it's about pride in my work and my own negotiation skills. I'm worth what I'm worth to the company, and my company works in quarterly profits and fiscal years, as well as in long-term planning.

I think an exempt employee's workweek should be between 45 and 50 hours. It might be 80 hours at certain times, depending on what's happening at the moment.

On the other hand, I come to work when I want, I leave when I want, and my lunch hour is is what I make it. If I need to run an errand during the day, I do so. I work from home one day a week and that day may be full or it may be more like a day off. I decide, depending on my workload, my deadlines and any other factors that may intrude.

The main point is that my relationship with my employer is voluntary on both sides and I need no help from the government to help me manage my situation, thank you very much. I look at the highly regulated industries and union negotiated deals and I say "No thank you." I'm much happier with my pay, my freedom and my situation than I would be with any third party inserting themselves.

 

[Vigilant]

I'm a salaried exempt employee and have been for the last 21 years. Before that I was in the Army.

To me it's about pride in my work and my own negotiation skills. I'm worth what I'm worth to the company, and my company works in quarterly profits and fiscal years, as well as in long-term planning.

I think an exempt employee's workweek should be between 45 and 50 hours. It might be 80 hours at certain times, depending on what's happening at the moment.

On the other hand, I come to work when I want, I leave when I want, and my lunch hour is is what I make it. If I need to run an errand during the day, I do so. I work from home one day a week and that day may be full or it may be more like a day off. I decide, depending on my workload, my deadlines and any other factors that may intrude.

The main point is that my relationship with my employer is voluntary on both sides and I need no help from the government to help me manage my situation, thank you very much. I look at the highly regulated industries and union negotiated deals and I say "No thank you." I'm much happier with my pay, my freedom and my situation than I would be with any third party inserting themselves.

EXACTLY!

 

[briand212]

Ok here is my ramble on this
I have been salaried exempt for the last 13 years, ( IT field) it can truly be a double edge sword. when you have good management and a good HR department things tend to run smooth. When bad management and or a inept HR department is involved all hell can break loose.
I am very much a supporter of small gov but this is one area that rules need to be in place and enforced to the letter and yes employers that willfully violate them should go see their new friend bubba in a jail cell.
To those who say there should be no gov interference or rules placed upon an employer, you need to really do some research and understand many of those rules were put in place because companies were abusing and stealing from their employees. There is no shortage of scumbags that when given a little power will break every rule and run a company into the ground.
For a period of time my companies HR department went straight down the hole, They basically became nothing more than a shell that did nothing. I had it pretty good ( manager wasn't great but wasn't a total crook either) I saw our company sued and forced to settle out of court numerous times because managers that sucked were running amok.
A few gems I remember from that time
certain groups of salaried-exempt employees forced to work 7 days a week, they were pulling 80+ hours a week ,, zero comp time,, zero bonuses for months at a time. ( yep ended in a lawsuit.. ended in another out of court settlement)
Titles changed arbitrarily on employees right before raises and bonuses were to be paid out. then told they don't qualify for a raise or the bonus that was based on prior years performance because you have new position (keep in mind the job didn't change just the title) yep lawsuit.. out of court settlement, manager fired.

To those that say just quit. sure you could try to find another job.. but when your perspective employer calls to verify your employment reference, they are told you are under investigation for stealing and criminal charges are being filed against you .. think you will get one.. nope.. and yes that really did happen where I worked. Turned into one nasty lawsuit that damn near got a federal labor monitor put at the company.

I cant stand the policies of this administration but , As for the new changes... really this isn't that big of a deal in 2011 they tightened the rules on what jobs fall under salaried-exempt we had over 200 that went from exempt to non-exempt over night. If you looked at why those rules were changed it was really caused by companies that were pushing envelope and making traditionally hourly employees salaried-exempt to get out of paying overtime.
To be honest I cant understand why the minimum salary to qualify for exempt status isn't automatically updated on a regular basis.

 

[Mark 1911]

I am salaried exempt, but I only get 1.0 time, not 1.5 time.

Same here.

 

[Mark 1911]

Ok here is my ramble on this
I have been salaried exempt for the last 13 years, ( IT field) it can truly be a double edge sword. when you have good management and a good HR department things tend to run smooth. When bad management and or a inept HR department is involved all hell can break loose.
I am very much a supporter of small gov but this is one area that rules need to be in place and enforced to the letter and yes employers that willfully violate them should go see their new friend bubba in a jail cell.
To those who say there should be no gov interference or rules placed upon an employer, you need to really do some research and understand many of those rules were put in place because companies were abusing and stealing from their employees. There is no shortage of scumbags that when given a little power will break every rule and run a company into the ground.
For a period of time my companies HR department went straight down the hole, They basically became nothing more than a shell that did nothing. I had it pretty good ( manager wasn't great but wasn't a total crook either) I saw our company sued and forced to settle out of court numerous times because managers that sucked were running amok.
A few gems I remember from that time
certain groups of salaried-exempt employees forced to work 7 days a week, they were pulling 80+ hours a week ,, zero comp time,, zero bonuses for months at a time. ( yep ended in a lawsuit.. ended in another out of court settlement)
Titles changed arbitrarily on employees right before raises and bonuses were to be paid out. then told they don't qualify for a raise or the bonus that was based on prior years performance because you have new position (keep in mind the job didn't change just the title) yep lawsuit.. out of court settlement, manager fired.

To those that say just quit. sure you could try to find another job.. but when your perspective employer calls to verify your employment reference, they are told you are under investigation for stealing and criminal charges are being filed against you .. think you will get one.. nope.. and yes that really did happen where I worked. Turned into one nasty lawsuit that damn near got a federal labor monitor put at the company.

I cant stand the policies of this administration but , As for the new changes... really this isn't that big of a deal in 2011 they tightened the rules on what jobs fall under salaried-exempt we had over 200 that went from exempt to non-exempt over night. If you looked at why those rules were changed it was really caused by companies that were pushing envelope and making traditionally hourly employees salaried-exempt to get out of paying overtime.
To be honest I cant understand why the minimum salary to qualify for exempt status isn't automatically updated on a regular basis.

A president should not have power to hand down arbitrary decrees. Decrees like this one make it difficult or impossible for private individuals to run a business of their own.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

...and now as an owner, if there's no money at the moment, guess who doesn't get paid. Ask me how I know.

Relax, I'm sure their next plan is to work on "Mandatory Minimum Pay" for owners.

 

[level.eleven]

Ok here is my ramble on this
I have been salaried exempt for the last 13 years, ( IT field) it can truly be a double edge sword. when you have good management and a good HR department things tend to run smooth. When bad management and or a inept HR department is involved all hell can break loose.
I am very much a supporter of small gov but this is one area that rules need to be in place and enforced to the letter and yes employers that willfully violate them should go see their new friend bubba in a jail cell.
To those who say there should be no gov interference or rules placed upon an employer, you need to really do some research and understand many of those rules were put in place because companies were abusing and stealing from their employees. There is no shortage of scumbags that when given a little power will break every rule and run a company into the ground.
For a period of time my companies HR department went straight down the hole, They basically became nothing more than a shell that did nothing. I had it pretty good ( manager wasn't great but wasn't a total crook either) I saw our company sued and forced to settle out of court numerous times because managers that sucked were running amok.
A few gems I remember from that time
certain groups of salaried-exempt employees forced to work 7 days a week, they were pulling 80+ hours a week ,, zero comp time,, zero bonuses for months at a time. ( yep ended in a lawsuit.. ended in another out of court settlement)
Titles changed arbitrarily on employees right before raises and bonuses were to be paid out. then told they don't qualify for a raise or the bonus that was based on prior years performance because you have new position (keep in mind the job didn't change just the title) yep lawsuit.. out of court settlement, manager fired.

To those that say just quit. sure you could try to find another job.. but when your perspective employer calls to verify your employment reference, they are told you are under investigation for stealing and criminal charges are being filed against you .. think you will get one.. nope.. and yes that really did happen where I worked. Turned into one nasty lawsuit that damn near got a federal labor monitor put at the company.

I cant stand the policies of this administration but , As for the new changes... really this isn't that big of a deal in 2011 they tightened the rules on what jobs fall under salaried-exempt we had over 200 that went from exempt to non-exempt over night. If you looked at why those rules were changed it was really caused by companies that were pushing envelope and making traditionally hourly employees salaried-exempt to get out of paying overtime.
To be honest I cant understand why the minimum salary to qualify for exempt status isn't automatically updated on a regular basis.

Excellent post. The unfettered capitalism crowd has been swayed by capital, go figure, to support and vote for a concept that is detrimental to their own interests. You have lower to middle class folks voting to become wage slaves under the guise of free market exceptionalism. It really is amazing.

This action isn't for the middle manager who "comes in when he wants and leaves when he wants". It is about the labor practices of capital exploiting, stealing, production from those who produce. It is about the retail "manager" who was promoted to salary so capital can avoid paying him for 70 hours while pocketing the money saved to invest in some credit default swaps. It is amazing that folks think they have the bargaining power under their "work ethic and negotiation skills" to avoid cost savings laid down by Wall Street. Labor has taken an enormous hit in the US. Wealth inequality is an issue. An issue that doesn't cleanly resolve. You can only steal production for so long.

 

[Vigilant]

Excellent post. The unfettered capitalism crowd has been swayed by capital, go figure, to support and vote for a concept that is detrimental to their own interests. You have lower to middle class folks voting to become wage slaves under the guise of free market exceptionalism. It really is amazing.

This action isn't for the middle manager who "comes in when he wants and leaves when he wants". It is about the labor practices of capital exploiting, stealing, production from those who produce. It is about the retail "manager" who was promoted to salary so capital can avoid paying him for 70 hours while pocketing the money saved to invest in some credit default swaps. It is amazing that folks think they have the bargaining power under their "work ethic and negotiation skills" to avoid cost savings laid down by Wall Street. Labor has taken an enormous hit in the US. Wealth inequality is an issue. An issue that doesn't cleanly resolve. You can only steal production for so long.

Spoken by a person that works for someone else! When it is YOUR money, life, possessions, house, etc. that is invested in YOUR business, socialism doesn't sound as sweet.

 

[spec4]

Is there any employer in the USA where an employee is not allowed to quit and seek employment elsewhere?

 

[avboiler11]

Is there any employer in the USA where an employee is not allowed to quit and seek employment elsewhere?

Any one where aforementioned employee is under some sort of employment contract.

 

[Expat]

Why do I suspect that if it was actually established that Obama was born in Kenya, there would be a cabal on INGO that would be screaming Bush was born there first?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Why do I suspect that if it was actually established that Obama was born in Kenya, there would be a cabal on INGO that would be screaming Bush was born there first?

That's just dumb. Everybody knows Bush was really born in Nova Scotia.