Time for a rant. The pics of my grandson are proof that what we do and how works. There are men who fish. And there are men who go to catch fish. Think about this. You are fishing in 5 to 6 feet of water. Most guys fish near the bottom. The fish could be 2 feet under your feet. As everyone knows sound travels a long way in water and is intensified thru it. The idiot who wear cleats and walk around are ignorant on how to catch fish. Yes the ice is slippery. BUT...sit your fat butt down and be quiet when you get to where you are going to fish!!! And damn sure do not drill holes within 5 feet of someone else fishing.what are you an idiot?? Then you feel you have to drill a dozen holes..then walk from hole to hole crunching you fat butt all over the place. Good bye fish. People are ignorant. They arer stupid. I would think a moron could figure out that noise and fish do not mix. Its lkike sitting in a deer stand and having someone walk circles around your tree stand while you are in it. we go to a lake to catch fish. When a crowd starts building we pack up and move. and thats another thing. Why is it when you have 500 acres of water...you feel you have to go next to the ONLY other guy out there??? Get away moron. We mark fish all over under us.Here come the idiots. The fish scatter. The guys moving crunching drilling walking around and the fish do not come back. we pack up and move. Get setteled and start catching fish again. They do make rubber cleats. Think about it. YOU are the reason you dont catch fish. would you beat on the botoom of your boat while bluegill fishing??? ahhhhh I feel better. lol