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[j706]

So it appears that the now departed thug was nothing but bumbling idiot. I just saw a Fox news report that he barely passed the academy requirements. They said he had a negligent discharge shooting himself in the hand during his academy time and was always in trouble for this and that. At the time he was fired he was just barely qualified to be in a patrol car by himself.

Funny how some of the media held him out to be some super duper ninja commando. Anyone can ambush kill almost anyone. As more information becomes available it seems that this clown was just that...a clown. Oh yea BTW...he is dead.

 

[T.Lex]

Guy Fawkes was kinda a screwup, too....

 

[hornadylnl]

And it took 4 years to **** can him? How much damage can a bad cop doin 4 years? And we're supposed to believe that police departments work diligently to weed out the bad apples?

 

[Liberty1911]

If he was barely competent and yet stayed on the force for 4 years, that pretty much guarantees that a certain percentage of LAPD officers are at the same level.

Maybe that explains how the LAPD ends up with officers who shoot innocent people whenever they get spooked.

 

[j706]

Guy Fawkes was kinda a screwup, too....

Never heard of him.

 

[Liberty1911]

Never heard of him.

Remember remember the 5th of November.

 

[T.Lex]

Never heard of him.

I think you have.

The guy the mask is supposed to look like...

 

[hornadylnl]

Never heard of him.

So does Dorner's supervision bear the slightest hint of blame for allowing him to keep his job for 4 years? His fellow officers who worked beside him for 4 years? Even the army didn't take a fraction of that time to chapter the ****bags.

 

[88GT]

If he was barely competent and yet stayed on the force for 4 years, that pretty much guarantees that a certain percentage of LAPD officers are at the same level.

Maybe that explains how the LAPD ends up with officers who shoot innocent people whenever they get spooked.

This assumes that the newly released information isn't also "new" information in his files. LAPD had almost a week to demonize this guy in the press and make their case for firing him. Up until now it was always just that he lied about his training officer's behavior.

Because using the weakest, unverifiable single reason is always better than several strong, confirmable reasons, I guess.

 

[T.Lex]

Generally, aren't those kinds of records usually confidential, anyway? I mean, maybe not discipline issues, but academy grades and stuff?

Only coming out after the guy is (presumably) dead? Barely passes the smell test.

 

[reesez]

Wait, I thought they didnt find a body?

 

[hornadylnl]

Generally, aren't those kinds of records usually confidential, anyway? I mean, maybe not discipline issues, but academy grades and stuff?

Only coming out after the guy is (presumably) dead? Barely passes the smell test.

I think the reason for the OP and the LAPD releasing these records is to deflect blame from the LAPD. I think it's going to backfire. It just further illustrates their incompetence at weeding out the bad cops. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

 

[TheWabbit]

I think the reason for the OP and the LAPD releasing these records is to deflect blame from the LAPD. I think it's going to backfire. It just further illustrates their incompetence at weeding out the bad cops. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

The LAPD Police Union is the problem. They are extremely powerful and California is a very union friendly state. Plus, LAPD is required to maintain certain levels of black/Hispanic/female officer levels thanks to the Clinton meddling. LAPD is forced to recruit individuals who would never be hired in other departments. They often have criminal records (Raphael Perez and the Ramparts scandal a few years ago) and/or cannot meet standards (so the bar is lowered further). Candidates who would excel at police work don't work for LAPD. It is the bottom of the barrel and where you go as a last resort.

 

[hornadylnl]

The LAPD Police Union is the problem. They are extremely powerful and California is a very union friendly state. Plus, LAPD is required to maintain certain levels of black/Hispanic/female officer levels thanks to the Clinton meddling. LAPD is forced to recruit individuals who would never be hired in other departments. They often have criminal records (Raphael Perez and the Ramparts scandal a few years ago) and/or cannot meet standards (so the bar is lowered further). Candidates who would excel at police work don't work for LAPD. It is the bottom of the barrel and where you go as a last resort.

so all good officers are in favor of doing away with police unions?

 

[griffin]

Funny how some of the media held him out to be some super duper ninja commando.

Actually it was the LAPD that told the media he was a super duper ninja commando.

 

[lucky4034]

This thread would be a bit more credible if you spelled his name right...

 

[j706]

This thread would be a bit more credible if you spelled his name right...

His name is "dead dude".

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Never heard of him.

Guy Fawkes?

It's getting to be History Major Wednesday up in this piece.

 

[hornadylnl]

The LAPD Police Union is the problem. They are extremely powerful and California is a very union friendly state. Plus, LAPD is required to maintain certain levels of black/Hispanic/female officer levels thanks to the Clinton meddling. LAPD is forced to recruit individuals who would never be hired in other departments. They often have criminal records (Raphael Perez and the Ramparts scandal a few years ago) and/or cannot meet standards (so the bar is lowered further). Candidates who would excel at police work don't work for LAPD. It is the bottom of the barrel and where you go as a last resort.

Another point. Who exactly is the police union? Isn't it the membership? So the bad apples only make up a tiny fraction of LEO's but it's the unions who are to blame when they can't fire them? So how does this tiny fraction of LEO's hold the rest hostage in the union leadership? Is it because the good LEO's are willing to dance with the devil (union) to protect themselves and in turn protect the bad apples?

 

[wally05]

It's hard to get bad cops fired via unions. Your personnel jacket is not completely protected from the FOIA, especially if it has to do with negligence or performance on the job. I can't cite the cases on here, but the info has been released before.

Being through a few processes... I've seen the equal opp employer crap with departments. Hell, I tested with a dept. in Hamilton county and watched them fail guys for being a push up short on the exit standards. But, two females that couldn't get close to meeting the standards were allowed back for the written later that day. I watched guys walk out when they noticed that.