DNR Proposal for .243 and up rifle for deer season?

[Willie]

Any new updates on this subject?

SEE....

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ive-input-rifles-deer-hunting-other-item.html

 

[Scotmak]

So am I reading this correctly. It is stating that the .243 change is for handguns only?

(4) A rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the following specifications:
(A) Fire a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch diameter or larger.
(B) Have a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches.
(C) Have a maximum case length of one and eight-tenths (1.8) inches.

 

[Streck-Fu]

Go to this link (LINK) and look at page 9. The old text is stricken with the proposed changes added.

 

[Scotmak]

Gotcha! What do you guys think? Is this a done deal or going stall out?

 

[AA&E]

It's about time. I've long held the suspicion the ban was implemented by men that had no understanding of external ballistics. It's not like a projectile keeps moving indefinitely until it finds something fleshy to sink into and maim. The trajectory drop off of rifle projectiles is far faster then most people would image.

Ballistic Calculator GunData.org


A 30/30 Winchester fired with an aimed reference point at 2-1/2 feet above level (ranged at 100 yards) will have hit the earth @ roughly 300 yards. By 500 yards it would have dropped approximately 10 feet. I've seen arguments that some areas of this state are too flat and these bullets will travel too far. Nonsense. A sabot slug in a rifled 12 gauge is (IMO) more effective, and just as dangerous, as the before mentioned 30/30. I've seen 12 gauge w/ rifled barrels shoot five shot groups that you could cover with the bottom of a red solo cup.

 

[Amishman44]

Go to this link (LINK) and look at page 9. The old text is stricken with the proposed changes added.

Great link! It'll be interesting to see if they actually make these changes?

 

[jblomenberg16]

So...what's the thinking right now on 300BLK from a legal SBR? Seems like it is a little ambiguous at this point since an SBR is a rifle with barrel < 16" according to the BATFE, and thus would actually be considered a hand gun under IC 35-47-1-6. The hunting regs say you cannot hunt with a handgun that is a rifle < 18" (in other words and SBR that is deemed to be a pistol under IC 35-47-1).

So...looks like those of us wanting to use 300BLK from an AR-15 upper that has < a 16" bbl need to still hunt with it in pistol configuration, correct?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

It's about time. I've long held the suspicion the ban was implemented by men that had no understanding of external ballistics. It's not like a projectile keeps moving indefinitely until it finds something fleshy to sink into and maim. The trajectory drop off of rifle projectiles is far faster then most people would image.

Ballistic Calculator GunData.org


A 30/30 Winchester fired with an aimed reference point at 2-1/2 feet above level (ranged at 100 yards) will have hit the earth @ roughly 300 yards. By 500 yards it would have dropped approximately 10 feet. I've seen arguments that some areas of this state are too flat and these bullets will travel too far. Nonsense. A sabot slug in a rifled 12 gauge is (IMO) more effective, and just as dangerous, as the before mentioned 30/30. I've seen 12 gauge w/ rifled barrels shoot five shot groups that you could cover with the bottom of a red solo cup.

Caliber restrictions are not for safety, they are for deer management.

So...what's the thinking right now on 300BLK from a legal SBR? Seems like it is a little ambiguous at this point since an SBR is a rifle with barrel < 16" according to the BATFE, and thus would actually be considered a hand gun under IC 35-47-1-6. The hunting regs say you cannot hunt with a handgun that is a rifle < 18" (in other words and SBR that is deemed to be a pistol under IC 35-47-1).

So...looks like those of us wanting to use 300BLK from an AR-15 upper that has < a 16" bbl need to still hunt with it in pistol configuration, correct?

That is my understanding as I did not see any additional provisions for SBRs but I added that to my submission.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Caliber restrictions are not for safety, they are for deer management.



That is my understanding as I did not see any additional provisions for SBRs but I added that to my submission.

Thank you...will do the same!

 

[AA&E]

Caliber restrictions are not for safety, they are for deer management.

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There is plenty of discussion and debate regarding trajectory. I've seen it on DNR discussion boards, hunting discussion boards, even in hunting magazines by staff contributors that seem opposed to it due to various reasons. Some think of it as a less pure form of hunting... but use the trajectory argument as a safety issue because "I don't like it" isn't likely to sway public opinion.

If it were purely a management issue, why allow sabotted slugs in rifled shotgun barrels w/ scope? The accuracy you can achieve with such an arrangement can match accuracy with nearly anything. People in the above linked thread make it sound as if you'll be able to kill a deer from your lazyboy recliner without ever even entering the woods.

 

[Willie]

Indiana going to CENTERFIRE rifles ?? [Archive] - ArcheryTalk Forum: Archery Target, Bowhunting, Classifieds, Chat

There is plenty of discussion and debate regarding trajectory. I've seen it on DNR discussion boards, hunting discussion boards, even in hunting magazines by staff contributors that seem opposed to it due to various reasons. Some think of it as a less pure form of hunting... but use the trajectory argument as a safety issue because "I don't like it" isn't likely to sway public opinion.

If it were purely a management issue, why allow sabotted slugs in rifled shotgun barrels w/ scope? The accuracy you can achieve with such an arrangement can match accuracy with nearly anything. People in the above linked thread make it sound as if you'll be able to kill a deer from your lazyboy recliner without ever even entering the woods.

I saw the same thing there when PCRs and crossbows were being considered,.

The only way that this will not be accepted if there is overwhelming opposition to it. That happens very infrequently. It did happen when they were considering shortening and moving the gun and muzzleloader season a few years back. Opposition was so strong that the NRC told the DNR to withdraw the proposal and go back to the drawing board. That is the only time, that I can recall, that this ever happened.

IF you all want to use rifles it would behoove you to give your input to the NRC. The wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease..

 

[CountryBoy19]

So...what's the thinking right now on 300BLK from a legal SBR? Seems like it is a little ambiguous at this point since an SBR is a rifle with barrel < 16" according to the BATFE, and thus would actually be considered a hand gun under IC 35-47-1-6. The hunting regs say you cannot hunt with a handgun that is a rifle < 18" (in other words and SBR that is deemed to be a pistol under IC 35-47-1).

So...looks like those of us wanting to use 300BLK from an AR-15 upper that has < a 16" bbl need to still hunt with it in pistol configuration, correct?

I'm guessing that because that law was implemented due to the "loop-hole" where SBR's were permitted to fire centerfire rifle cartridges .243 or larger, it will be stricken down eventually. It may get "lost in the shuffle" this year, but I'm confident that if these new rules are adopted that one will be stricken eventually...

 

[Imeagher]

NRC: Current Rule Proposals I'm sure it's been posted but here is the address to comment on this rule change. It's the one at the bottom. I just commented and everyone on here should express their opinion. I'm for it.

 

[Huzrjim]

Done. Thanks for posting the link!

 

[Leggdpms]

Anymore word on this guys? Just got a awesome blackfriday deal on a savage .270 today

 

[M4Madness]

It has been preliminarily adopted and they'll make the decision on final adoption around May 2015.

 

[mattyd]

That will give plenty of time to get ready for fall!

 

[yote hunter]

Been hearing this for a few years now , so I will believe it when I see it... Not holding my breath....

Well I have to eat my words, I talked to a DNR buddy of mine and I guess its a done deal they have already passed the change and just haven't released it to the public yet.... So if I can find a 6.5 Grendal upper for my AR I will make the change.... If not I will just hunt with what I always have...

 

[Willie]

Well I have to eat my words, I talked to a DNR buddy of mine and I guess its a done deal they have already passed the change and just haven't released it to the public yet.... So if I can find a 6.5 Grendal upper for my AR I will make the change.... If not I will just hunt with what I always have...

No. They might have the NRC votes to pass the change, but it will not pass until the NRC meeting in May. I've been working this Administrative Rules Process since we got blind sided by the OBR back in 2002 and the NRC will OK what the DNR wants UNLESS there is an overwhelming opposition.. and I do mean overwhelming.

The deep sixing of the Proposition 1 a few years back was the only one I recall. As a former DNR official told me "It was unprecedented" for the NRC to tell the DNR to go back to the drawing board. The SHTF on that one...

IMO - It would not bother me to buy a new deer rifle now if that is what I wanted...

 

[BigMoose]

Is there a link to the new wording? I really am worried that they have opened the door to some underpowered cartridges that some neighboring states ban.