Did world war 3 just start?

[JAL]

A lot of them are probably dual-citizens (Iranian and Canadian).

There's a significant Iranian diaspora in Canada just as there are pockets of them in the US that fled from the regime. Most are not sought after as Warsaw Pact and Soviet defectors were making it impossible to set foot in the country. They have extended family there. In addition, there are Iranian students in Canada. Their typical travel was via Ukrainian Int'l Airlines to Kiev, and then to Canada. There are no flights from Canada to Iran (DOH!). There are also about 12,000 Iranian students in the US on F1 visas (non-resident student).

While a significant portion of the population supports the current regime, and it has a very powerful grip on its military with its support, the enormous portion of the population - its educated and literate in particular - that detest the regime and make as best they can in living there.

John

 

[Trigger Time]

‘I apologize for lying to you’: Iran state TV anchor reportedly resigns after regime admits shooting down passenger jet

Hmm well now if they can control other media and the military the people may very well force a coupe. Without the military they dont have crap. But the military isnt getting paid so it may fall into place for them

 

[DoggyDaddy]

There's a significant Iranian diaspora in Canada just as there are pockets of them in the US that fled from the regime. Most are not sought after as Warsaw Pact and Soviet defectors were making it impossible to set foot in the country. They have extended family there. In addition, there are Iranian students in Canada. Their typical travel was via Ukrainian Int'l Airlines to Kiev, and then to Canada. There are no flights from Canada to Iran (DOH!). There are also about 12,000 Iranian students in the US on F1 visas (non-resident student).

While a significant portion of the population supports the current regime, and it has a very powerful grip on its military with its support, the enormous portion of the population - its educated and literate in particular - that detest the regime and make as best they can in living there.

John

I remember running into a couple of Iranian guys (students) in a bar back at the height of the hostage crisis thing. I asked where they were from and they kind of looked at each other and then one said, "Well you probably won't like where we're from. Iran." We had a good conversation, and even back then, they told me that the general population was opposed to the mullahs and wanted to embrace a more "western" culture.

 

[JAL]

Holy ****!

Well she just hung herself.

^^^^^
This - unfortunately she'll be wearing a complete burka and you won't know it's her dangling from the end of a crane.

John

 

[JAL]

I remember running into a couple of Iranian guys (students) in a bar back at the height of the hostage crisis thing. I asked where they were from and they kind of looked at each other and then one said, "Well you probably won't like where we're from. Iran." We had a good conversation, and even back then, they told me that the general population was opposed to the mullahs and wanted to embrace a more "western" culture.

I've known a number of Iranian diaspora over the years, all of whom left Iran after 1979 to escape the Ayatollah, his mullahs, and the likes of the Quds. Many are part of a tightly knit community who can identify with each other with common culture and common reasons for fleeing.

John

 

[Dead Duck]

Iran was a very nice "Normal" looking place before all that crap happened. We knew a bunch of families that fleed before the chaos and some that were smuggled out later.










You know....
I'll bet Trump had something to do with all that. Where was he in 1979?

 

[jamil]

Very glad to see it. It is a sign that there is a possibility of progress after the mullahs are replaced. It by no means says that these people control this country's actions generating attacks on countries all around the middle east and also killing/restricting their own people and journalists.

Trump is doing the right thing in providing support for the protestors and they are clearly responding. I wish Obama would have done the same rather than ignore them and providing billions of dollars in financial support to the mullahs. The money would potentially have been much better used after the mullahs have gone on building up their own country rather than exporting more death.

Moral clarity really helps:

I agree with some of that but I’m not sure I’d look for moral clarity from a man who ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his son.

 

[Dead Duck]

I agree with some of that but I’m not sure I’d look for moral clarity from a man who ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his son.

What do you have against porn stars? Some of them are people too. Not a lot but some.

 

[Phase2]

I agree with some of that but I’m not sure I’d look for moral clarity from a man who ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his son.

I don't expect perfection in any human and Trump certainly isn't a perfect man. However, he truly does have moral clarity when it comes to supporting freedom and telling the Iranians that killing protesters is absolutely amoral. As far as I know Obama never cheated on his wife, but the way he treated the Iranian protest/uprising during his term, the sending of uranium and money to support a known autocratic and terrorist nation shows a deep lack of morals.

 

[JAL]

I agree with some of that but I’m not sure I’d look for moral clarity from a man who ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his son.

The photo showing Trump with Sleazy Porn Star at a formal event was faked. That was debunked eons ago with the two original photos and a demo of how Sleazy Porn Star was composited in to cover over Trump's daughter. Now we have "deep fake" technology to deal with and if you've seen what some of that has created, it's scary. Makes Stalin's manipulation of photos look stone-age crude. It's gotten to a point that I don't believe any of these claims that pour forth years later any more. And then there's the Creepy Porn Lawyer's own legal woes that have shot his credibility into the depths of Hades. CPL is going to prison for a while and I feel a twinge of guilt for cheering it on, but only a very slight, single tiny twinge.

John

 

[jamil]

I don't expect perfection in any human and Trump certainly isn't a perfect man. However, he truly does have moral clarity when it comes to supporting freedom and telling the Iranians that killing protesters is absolutely amoral. As far as I know Obama never cheated on his wife, but the way he treated the Iranian protest/uprising during his term, the sending of uranium and money to support a known autocratic and terrorist nation shows a deep lack of morals.

That was the part I mostly agreed with. Trump could be a good president if his moral character weren’t so lacking.

 

[jamil]

The photo showing Trump with Sleazy Porn Star at a formal event was faked. That was debunked eons ago with the two original photos and a demo of how Sleazy Porn Star was composited in to cover over Trump's daughter. Now we have "deep fake" technology to deal with and if you've seen what some of that has created, it's scary. Makes Stalin's manipulation of photos look stone-age crude. It's gotten to a point that I don't believe any of these claims that pour forth years later any more. And then there's the Creepy Porn Lawyer's own legal woes that have shot his credibility into the depths of Hades. CPL is going to prison for a while and I feel a twinge of guilt for cheering it on, but only a very slight, single tiny twinge.

John

I have no idea what photo you’re talking about. Trump paid Daniels through Michael Cohen $130K to sign a nondisclosure agreement to STFU about the affair. The facts of that have nothing to do with Avenatti or whatever fake news that resulted from his involvement.

 

[ghuns]

...which is to continue making big bucks/euros off the Iranian regime and long term consequences be damned

Sounds a lot like how we got to the current state of affairs in the first place.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

person who posted a video online of a missile striking a Ukrainian airliner in Iran last week has been taken into custody by the elite Revolutionary Guards, the semi-official Fars news agency reported

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't expect perfection in any human and Trump certainly isn't a perfect man. However, he truly does have moral clarity when it comes to supporting freedom and telling the Iranians that killing protesters is absolutely amoral. As far as I know Obama never cheated on his wife, but the way he treated the Iranian protest/uprising during his term, the sending of uranium and money to support a known autocratic and terrorist nation shows a deep lack of morals.

Is it moral clarity if you're only doing it because you're expected to do it?

And since you mentioned Obama:

• On June 15, 2009, on the third day of protests, Obama said he was “deeply troubled by the violence” against protesters and urged Iranian leaders to respect “the ability of people to peacefully dissent.”
• On June 20, 2009, Obama urged the Iranian government “to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people,” and declared that the U.S. “stands with all who seek to exercise” free speech and the right of assembly.
• On June 23, 2009, Obama said: “I strongly condemn these unjust actions, and I join with the American people in mourning each and every innocent life that is lost.
• And I can't help but take you to task on the "sending Uranium and money to support a known autocratic and terrorist nation." I'm confused as to who uranium was sent to, and the support of a known autocratic/terrorist nation, seems to apply to a number of countries that we are still friendly with (i.e Saudi Arabia).

 

[printcraft]

person who posted a video online of a missile striking a Ukrainian airliner in Iran last week has been taken into custody by the elite Revolutionary Guards, the semi-official Fars news agency reported

No doubt they want to thank him for getting the correct story out to the world.

They will probably give him a metal for his service.

 

[BugI02]

Is it moral clarity if you're only doing it because you're expected to do it?

And since you mentioned Obama:

• On June 15, 2009, on the third day of protests, Obama said he was “deeply troubled by the violence” against protesters and urged Iranian leaders to respect “the ability of people to peacefully dissent.”
• [Ironic , isn't it, that only a few years later he would allow the IRS to be used to target 'the ability of people to peacefully dissent' when it was his policies they were dissenting to. What was that about honoring principles only in the breech]
• On June 20, 2009, Obama urged the Iranian government “to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people,” and declared that the U.S. “stands with all who seek to exercise” free speech and the right of assembly.
• On June 23, 2009, Obama said: “I strongly condemn these unjust actions, and I join with the American people in mourning each and every innocent life that is lost.
• And I can't help but take you to task on the "sending Uranium and money to support a known autocratic and terrorist nation." I'm confused as to who uranium was sent to, and the support of a known autocratic/terrorist nation, seems to apply to a number of countries that we are still friendly with (i.e Saudi Arabia).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/01/09/diplomats-iran-natural-uranium-batch/96367868/
Diplomats: Iran to get natural uranium batch

VIENNA (AP) — Iran is to receive a huge shipment of natural uranium from Russia to compensate it for exporting tons of reactor coolant, diplomats say, in a move approved by the outgoing U.S. administration and other governments seeking to keep Tehran committed to a landmark nuclear pact.


Two senior diplomats said the transfer recently approved by the U.S. and five other world powers that negotiated the nuclear deal with Iran foresees delivery of nearly 130 tons of natural uranium.

Is 'taking me to task' just lazy, or indicative of a desire not to know? Search took maybe 2 minutes, most of it seeking a source you wouldn't complain about

 

[Kutnupe14]

No doubt they want to thank him for getting the correct story out to the world.

They will probably give him a metal for his service.

Yeah, an iron stake to impale him on.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Is 'taking me to task' just lazy, or indicative of a desire not to know? Search took maybe 2 minutes, most of it seeking a source you wouldn't complain about

Oh, so Obama didn't send any uranium? Because I could have sworn someone said Obama sent uranium. Man, I must be getting old.

 

[BugI02]

Oh, so Obama didn't send any uranium? Because I could have sworn someone said Obama sent uranium. Man, I must be getting old.

If you push the other five JCPOA members to accept that 'deal sweetener' for Iran, and push to get it done as a lame duck before your successor can (and likely would) block it, do you not own it

Don't be pedantic and insist that for Obama to have sent it that he had to be the one to place it in its shipping container and afix the DHL label. By those lights, Putin didn't nerve gas those people in Britain because he didn't personally dose them himself.