DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot rioters and looters in Florida

[KLB]

First, it would be interesting to see the actual wording of the proposed legislation.

Second, what you guys are discussing is mostly a horrible idea. Allowing vigilantes to be judge, jury, and executioner is just asking for bad stuff to happen.

If the governor thinks that local municipalities should be doing more, then he should propose legislation to force them to.

This would basically be trying to legalize what the media has tried to portray Rittenhouse.

 

[Alpo]

Bag limit?
Asking for a friend

Bob

It used to be 2 per day; 3 in possession.

Now, it's like coyotes and striped skunk.


Seriously, a mob attacking a facility in which I am present puts me and mine in fear of great bodily harm or imminent death. I'll stop shooting when I run out of ammo.....and I have lots of ammo.

 

[J Galt]

 

[drillsgt]

Since you expanded the definition of “property,” to a subjective ideal. I also find the shooting of people who do not subscribe to your vision of America, as problematic.

I know you like to take the opposite stance of anything posted on INGO but now defending looters lol

 

[Ark]

This would basically be trying to legalize what the media has tried to portray Rittenhouse.

That'd be fine with me. He stepped up when the police wouldn't. This would not be a problem if we had a million more like him.

 

[BugI02]

Since you expanded the definition of “property,” to a subjective ideal. I also find the shooting of people who do not subscribe to your vision of America, as problematic.

For now, I've decided that the hill I will die on is the one my house sits on, and have already decided the lines that cannot be crossed by rioters without lethal consequences. I am at peace with it

 

[NHT3]

I would feel easier about ending a mob at my home as that is my castle and yes I will defend it regardless of the feels good dip weeds saying it is only property.
Would be a bit more difficult doing this at a business but if I or mine were threatened then all bets are off the table.

But I do truly understand your concerns.

Destroying the source of income that feeds your family IS threatening your family. If lethal force is justified is debatable but like you when family is threatened all bets are off.

 

[NHT3]

First, it would be interesting to see the actual wording of the proposed legislation.

Second, what you guys are discussing is mostly a horrible idea. Allowing vigilantes to be judge, jury, and executioner is just asking for bad stuff to happen.

If the governor thinks that local municipalities should be doing more, then he should propose legislation to force them to.

This would basically be trying to legalize what the media has tried to portray Rittenhouse.

Some people don't respond to social workers and only understand "bad" things happening. I doubt that any looter believes what they are doing is justified, they do it because up to this point there hasn't been a price to pay. When there is a price to pay then I guarantee the looting will cease.

 

[mmpsteve]

Destroying the source of income that feeds your family IS threatening your family. If lethal force is justified is debatable but like you when family is threatened all bets are off.

This right here. I've been doing the same thing for 35 years. I've built it from the ground up. It's my only way to earn an income, and a big part of my retirement. People say insurance will cover it, but it will never restore me to whole, nor help recover the clients I would lose with a lengthy shutdown. If they come for my business ... well, I just hope they don't. I guess I could always print and hang a big poster saying

"No Nikes or Adidas on Premises"

.

 

[Ziggidy]

A law to shoot anyone they “SUSPECT” of looting? And it doesn’t even have to be a business you have a contractual stake in? Uhhhhh, that seems problematic. But there is some segment of people that will be all for it.

I agree that that "sounds" pretty rough, but to avoid getting shot, I recommend not being in the area of the riots and looting. From what I have seen in the media, it is pretty obvious who is who.

 

[jbombelli]

When the government either fails or refuses to protect us, our property, our livelihoods, it falls on us and you get what you get.

 

[JettaKnight]

If the property in question is America, then we all have a 'stake' in it and thus should support each other in defending it

If the property is here on Earth, we have a stake in; my Bulgaria friends have been looking for a vacation spot this year.


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I didn't know Mr. Rittenhouse used teal text as well.

This right here. I've been doing the same thing for 35 years. I've built it from the ground up. It's my only way to earn an income, and a big part of my retirement. People say insurance will cover it, but it will never restore me to whole, nor help recover the clients I would lose with a lengthy shutdown. If they come for my business ... well, I just hope they don't. I guess I could always print and hang a big poster saying

"No Nikes or Adidas on Premises"

.

Good - I don't like crowds when I'm looting Florsheims.




As to the reality of this, after reading the article I see "draft legislation"... so it will be a while, if ever.

 

[HoughMade]

As reported in that article, that cannot possibly be what he is proposing.

Is there a link to the actual language of the proposed law?

[ETA]

This is getting closer:

https://www.flgov.com/2020/09/21/go...d-looting-and-law-enforcement-protection-act/

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Combatting-Violence-Protection-Act.pdf

Where does the shooting people come in?

 

[foszoe]

As reported in that article, that cannot possibly be what he is proposing.

Is there a link to the actual language of the proposed law?

[ETA]

This is getting closer:

https://www.flgov.com/2020/09/21/go...d-looting-and-law-enforcement-protection-act/

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Combatting-Violence-Protection-Act.pdf

Where does the shooting people come in?

Man. Just when a good thing gets going, its watered down with truthier stuff.

 

[Jaybird1980]

As reported in that article, that cannot possibly be what he is proposing.

Is there a link to the actual language of the proposed law?

[ETA]

This is getting closer:

https://www.flgov.com/2020/09/21/go...d-looting-and-law-enforcement-protection-act/

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Combatting-Violence-Protection-Act.pdf

Where does the shooting people come in?

This is nice, but how do you make sure the Prosecutor actually follows through. I'm pretty sure a large chunk of this is already a law and just not being prosecuted

 

[SarahG]

As reported in that article, that cannot possibly be what he is proposing.

Is there a link to the actual language of the proposed law?

[ETA]

This is getting closer:

https://www.flgov.com/2020/09/21/go...d-looting-and-law-enforcement-protection-act/

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Combatting-Violence-Protection-Act.pdf

Where does the shooting people come in?

Apologies if I misled people. I just posted the news article and assumed it had some level of merit - I see that may not be the case.

 

[JettaKnight]

Apologies if I misled people. I just posted the news article and assumed it had some level of merit - I see that may not be the case.

I don't you were the one trying to mislead people.


I think that honor belongs to Caitlin McFall.

 

[HoughMade]

Apologies if I misled people. I just posted the news article and assumed it had some level of merit - I see that may not be the case.

I don't blame you.

The media hardly ever gets legal matters correct...even when they are trying to. In this case, I imagine there is some sort of logical Jenga going on to stack up blocks to add up to "shoot rioters". Something like- you can defend yourself or others from the commission of X type of crime and now rioting may, in some theoretical circumstances, be considered something close to X type of crime, so yeah- legal to shoot people. It's not the absence of truth. It's the stretching of the law to somewhere it probably will never go to make a splash.

 

[Expat]

A member of the media may have misled the public? I would just be astounded if that was true. This would be a first.

 

[Phase2]

Unfortunately, it's nothing new.

Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect from 2002:

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

— Michael Crichton