Deputy Handcuffs 8-Year Old And Watches Him Cry

[kiddchaos]

Problem is that the ones specially TRAINED to deal with these situations call those who are NOT to handle them. I see it all the time, "out of control kid" "out of control adult at group home" etc. People are lightning quick to pass the liability on to us...gee thanks.

Right. And he handled it his way, which in this case was the wrong way. Plus the school staff deserves an epic fail.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The ignorance displayed here is astonishing.

ADHD is quite real. Discipline does not 'cure' it.

The poor kid was also diagnosed with PTSD, too. Should we discuss what sort of life events occur for an 8-year old to result in such a diagnosis? Do you think you guys could conjure up any sort of human empathy if we did have that discussion?

ETA: Here's some science: Brain Studies Show ADHD Is Real Disease - ABC News

About 10 years ago, I handcuffed a 9 year old girl at our Mosaics school. She was punching other kids and spitting on the teachers. It is one of the most satisfying outcomes I've ever had policing. I did it as a "shock" treatment. I call probation about her behavior, and they told me to contact her parents and release her to them. I called the parents, and they refused to get her, saying she was too much for them. I was shocked. So this little girl was placed in my car, still cuffed, and taken up north. The whole time, this girl was played the "I don't care" card, until I exited the parking lot. Then she asked, "where are you taking me?" And I told her "to jail." She replied "are you serious," and started crying.
We got to JDC, and I told the jailers to give her the FULL treatment, and boy did they. They told her to quit "eyeballing" them, and that if she tried anything funny, they wouldn't "hesitate to take her down." The girl cried and cried, and honestly, I felt bad. I left her there, and followed up with probation and had them contact CPS about her situation. She eventually was removed from her parents home, and after being released and going to court, I'd check up regularly on her at Mosaics. She eventually graduated HS, and is currently at Ball St, from what I last knew. She hasn't been in any trouble since that day, other than minor school issues. I think she needed a firm hand. Cuffing that girl and showing her what she could be in store for if she didn't change her was, I think was WELL warranted, and in retrospect, I'm glad I did.

 

[devious169]

Cut that schools government funding!

 

[Double T]

Before you STRIP the badge away, you may want to look at the training the department has given its employees in how to deal with such incidents. Likely none. The burden falls back onto the department, it becomes a case of "failure to train".

I understand that you aren't trained to recognize these things. I was and am. The kid had no business being locked up in a way that he couldn't use a coping mechanism. Autistic kids respond to stimuli very differently than "normal" kids. My child is considered borderline autistic. he rocks. He does the flapping. When he gets excited. When he gets in trouble, it's a tantrum VERY much like what was in the video. He lines things up, and is obsessed with cars. A non-autistic kid would say "let me out of this thing" all this poor boy did was say "oww" and try his coping mechanism...more than likely hand motions.

A physical has ZERO place in a classroom, nor should someone behind a badge cause physical, emotional, and mental anguish against someone who processes info very much differently than anyone else.

My son is BORDERLINE because he interacts with us. He talks to us, and he looks people in the eyes. He is OCD, but he isn't obsessed with just one part of a car (wheels etc...)

Would be VERY interesting to see the kids interactions before all of this, after. And how very little eye contact there would be.

 

[Dead Duck]

About 10 years ago, I handcuffed a 9 year old girl at our Mosaics school. She was punching other kids and spitting on the teachers. It is one of the most satisfying outcomes I've ever had policing. I did it as a "shock" treatment. I call probation about her behavior, and they told me to contact her parents and release her to them. I called the parents, and they refused to get her, saying she was too much for them. I was shocked. So this little girl was placed in my car, still cuffed, and taken up north. The whole time, this girl was played the "I don't care" card, until I exited the parking lot. Then she asked, "where are you taking me?" And I told her "to jail." She replied "are you serious," and started crying.
We got to JDC, and I told the jailers to give her the FULL treatment, and boy did they. They told her to quit "eyeballing" them, and that if she tried anything funny, they wouldn't "hesitate to take her down." The girl cried and cried, and honestly, I felt bad. I left her there, and followed up with probation and had them contact CPS about her situation. She eventually was removed from her parents home, and after being released and going to court, I'd check up regularly on her at Mosaics. She eventually graduated HS, and is currently at Ball St, from what I last knew. She hasn't been in any trouble since that day, other than minor school issues. I think she needed a firm hand. Cuffing that girl and showing her what she could be in store for if she didn't change her was, I think was WELL warranted, and in retrospect, I'm glad I did.

That's awesome!
I'll bet you are still in her nightmare about that incident. I wouldn't ever let her see you, she'd have a breakdown.

Having feelings for others can sure hurt sometimes.
You're probably what got her through college. Good job.

 

[steveh_131]

I saw an interview with a college student who was diagnosed with "post traumatic stress disorder" because he was "sad" he was away from home and attending school. This below average student couldn't get any help with school expenses. However, once he was diagnosed with PTSD he got a full ride scholarship.

Yes, people abuse it. That doesn't mean it's to be completely disregarded.

Before you STRIP the badge away, you may want to look at the training the department has given its employees in how to deal with such incidents. Likely none. The burden falls back onto the department, it becomes a case of "failure to train".

I think you have a very good point about a lack of training. This officer probably shares the mindset with many here that there's nothing wrong with these disabled kids that a good whippin' wouldn't cure.

On the other hand, he is a "school resource officer". Regardless of the official training, shouldn't he be learning about these things on his own?

There is nothing about that video or the child's behavior that would lead me to believe that he has anything other than a ADHD. To me he is crying and sobbing like any 8 year old would if they were being punished.

I would strongly disagree. There are distinct differences that are difficult to recognize if you haven't been exposed to them quite a bit, but I think he falls somewhere on the spectrum.

 

[JTScribe]

This sort of thing would - hopefully - never happen to my family, because my kids' teachers have cell phone numbers for my wife and I. Any problems we are getting a text and our kids know that they are in for it when they get home from school.

But if this was my kid I would be in jail because I would have gone after that deputy, and whatever admin was responsible for calling him, with both fists. I wouldn't be wasting my time with a lawsuit.

 

[Leo]

Maybe the public school system and public employees are not the place or people to deal with these special needs. Maybe it should not be the burden of the tax payers or law enforcement to experiment with guidance methods, especially in children wherre all the parents attempts have failed. If you would speak with 100 parents of children similar to this, you will find 100 differing opinions. There will never be any peace or consensus in matters like these.

If you don't like my methods, don't make it my job. It is not, and has never been a peace officers job to try to figure out how to fix child mental issues. Don't blame the officer for trying to make an honest attempt to respond where all the "experts" have already failed. I do not know the officer but I guarantee he did not volunteer for this assignment.

 

[rambone]

Maybe the public school system and public employees are not the place or people to deal with these special needs. Maybe it should not be the burden of the tax payers or law enforcement to experiment with guidance methods, especially in children wherre all the parents attempts have failed. If you would speak with 100 parents of children similar to this, you will find 100 differing opinions. There will never be any peace or consensus in matters like these.

If you don't like my methods, don't make it my job. It is not, and has never been a peace officers job to try to figure out how to fix child mental issues. Don't blame the officer for trying to make an honest attempt to respond where all the "experts" have already failed. I do not know the officer but I guarantee he did not volunteer for this assignment.

Maybe the government get out of the education industry altogether. Over half of Indiana's taxes go to education! Talk about a burden on taxpayers.

 

[maxmayhem]

bullcrap

ADHD a fake disorder, neurologist-turned-author says - Washington Times

 

[churchmouse]

ADHD is real. Not all cases diagnosed as ADHD are really that. "The Belt" does not solve all disciplinary problems. Failing to properly apply discipline does cause problems. I agree that modern day teachers are not competent nor trustworthy enough to apply corporal punishment.

Bingo.

ADHD is so over diagnosed it is ridiculous. Throw pills at the problem. A lot of folks we knew had this happen to them. Always get a 2nd opinion.....always.

Yes, it does exist and is an issue.

 

[jamil]

Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?
Kids learned and did their work.

We did have it back then. It just didn't have a name. I had it. I still have it. Treating these kids like gentle flowers doesn't help them. Behavior issues can be corrected by the typical kind of discipline that my parents dared to use back in the day. But the other issues, poor short-term memory, distractability, disorganization, etc., can't be punished away.

I've never had the hyperactivity component. For me it's mostly the inattentive part. Living with it is hard to describe. It's incredibly easy to be distracted. It's very difficult to block out distractions and focus on just one thing. If you want to experience how that feels, try this. Respond to this post comprehensively while having a dozen or so people talking to you at the same time, you may be able to block them out. Try not to. Pay attention to everything around you while trying to post.

But there are some advantages as well. ADD is really misnamed. It's not that I have a deficit of attention. I have an abundance of it. The problem is focus, not attention. Unless there is something very interesting, my attention is on everything and I can be distracted by anything. However, if I have no distractions other than the thing I want to focus on, I can really get into a hyper-focused zone where the object is the only thing. When I'm not in the zone, it's very difficult to think clearly. But when I'm in the zone I can think with clarity. It works out very well in my line of work. Hyper-focus has it's drawbacks too though: I don't tend to notice my surroundings and I have no sense of time while zoned out.

ADD is real. But most people who have it can learn to mitigate the problems. The severe cases are different though and those people probably need some help dealing with it.

 

[Expat]

I got paddled in 1st grade. It taught me to not do dumbass things in school

 

[jamil]

I didn't get paddled until the second grade. And I didn't even do it! I was framed!

 

[halfmileharry]

I guess I've lived so long I've seen a lot of stuff. Some kids need discipline, some need therapy, some need medication, and some need a lot of work and understanding to find out where they're coming from and how do you direct certain thought processes.
Diet, environment, heredity, yadda yadda yadda, can all be factors.
I noticed the repetitive behaviors. I do not have the formal education to diagnose but I have 14 years of parenting a special needs son. He's a great kid but it wasn't always like this.
I saw and dealt with these types of behaviors. It's not easy and EVERY child is different and reaching a special needs child is a challenge.
I'm NOT saying a child's behavior issues can't be directly related to poor parenting or a horrible environment. I am saying that I see a lot of traits that special needs children display in the cuffed boy.
There are times that strict discipline will work on kids.
This isn't one of those times and that's not the person to dish out the discipline.
The officer kept a level head and followed his feelings on this. I disagree with the method used but I do appreciate what he's trying to accomplish. He probably shouldn't be responsible for this duty or for the discipline like he used. I'm sure it will work on other kids though. Some need a serious wake up call like this BUT a special needs child can be damaged even deeper with this.
It takes a lot of time and experience to be able to successfully deal with things of this nature.
I would have liked to have seen everything leading up to this behavior and why were the Police brought into this. It's difficult to imagine why the law was summoned for an 8 yr old but nothing amazes me when it comes to anything to do with people with power over us.
Some people NEED medicated. That in itself is sad.

 

[Birds Away]

I went to school before becoming a teacher was an exercise of a political agenda. So, I am probably not qualified to discuss today's socialist brainwashers.

 

[jamil]

I went to school before becoming a teacher was an exercise of a political agenda. So, I am probably not qualified to discuss today's socialist brainwashers.

Can you fix that first sentence? I don't know what it means. And I'd like to know what it means.

 

[j706]

I have unfortunately been around a fair number of these ADHD kids. I do not think for a second that many if any had anything wrong with them other than some very weak parents. In short they were/are mostly just little punk a-- kids that have never been disciplined. I think this ADHD crap is for the most part just that...crap. It is an excuse for childish behavior and non existent parenting. Could it seriously be just another modern day excuse? I sure think so. Could be wrong but I don't think so.

Funny thing is some of these same kids can turn that stuff off and on like a switch when the right person is present. When they know they will not get away with the acting up they suddenly stop doing so. Someone please explain that to me. I have been to a few of these kids homes many, many times. Once I show up they act just fine. And I didn't even cuff any of them up! Everyone has some excuse for every little thing that they do that is not right.

BTW- After watching the video...those handcuffs were not hurting that kid and he acts just like a little spoiled kid that has always gotten his way. Could be wrong but that is how it looks to me.

 

[jamil]

My thoughts on the video are this: The officer is overstepping his place. His job isn't to discipline unruly kids. His job is to protect them. I thought we started putting more police officers in schools so there'd be a good guy with a gun to stop any bad guys with guns, who might show up. Not to outsource discipline.

 

[churchmouse]

I didn't get paddled until the second grade. And I didn't even do it! I was framed!

Still sticking to that story Huh.....