Deputy Handcuffs 8-Year Old And Watches Him Cry

[steveh_131]

What you are stating is your opinion, likely influenced by your own upbringing, education, and environment.

You're right, I've been educated on the subject. That does explain the difference of opinion.

If you want any credibility in a discussion of such, refrain from quoting sources like ABC News.

The pertinent quotes come from scientists, not ABC News. Here are quotes from the actual study:

Evaluating Dopamine Reward Pathway in ADHD

A reduction in dopamine synaptic markers associated with symptoms of inattention was shown in the dopamine reward pathway of participants with ADHD.

Educate yourself again from the beginning and from better sources.

Please, let's see your scientific sources that suggest otherwise.

 

[steveh_131]

More science:

Brain scans offer fresh insights into ADHD - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health

The scans showed differences between the brain connectivity maturation of people with ADHD and those without.Those with ADHD had a lag in the maturation of connections in a specific brain network region called the default mode network, a poorly understood structure whose functions are uncertain.
They also had delays in connections between the default mode network and two other areas called task-positive networks, which deal with tasks requiring attention: the frontoparietal network and ventral attention network.
The research team indicated these areas of brain connectivity and interaction have previously been associated with the behavioural characteristics of ADHD, such as impulsivity, providing some degree of external validity for the importance of this region.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

ADHD is largely an overused term so some parents have an excuse other than their skills or lack thereof. It's backed by doctors who prescribe Ritalin or other drugs that often agitate things and make them worse. The cry of the boy wasn't that of pain, it was I'm mad and gonna make a scene. Do I agree with the actions of the deputy? Yes, and no. The boy probably shouldn't have been cuffed, but in lieu of being cuffed, he should've had a one-on-one meeting with the board of ed.

Tantrums are a learned trait, and can be cured with consistent discipline. (No, I'm not saying that your kid should cower every time you enter a room.)

 

[Peter Potamus]

What you are stating is your opinion, likely influenced by your own upbringing, education, and environment. What we're saying is that your opinion, your understanding of what's "real", is incorrect. ADHD, and the other excuses for poor behavior, are nothing more than crutches built by liberals to explain away the natural outcome of their hellbent crusade to destroy proper discipline of children in America. There is no ADHD. What there definitely is, however, is a society that is quickly dying as a result of the removal of a parent's ability to properly discharge their responsibility to discipline their kids. And, yes, that includes whacking their butts.

If you want any credibility in a discussion of such, refrain from quoting sources like ABC News. You couldn't become irrelevant in a discussion of liberal nonsense any faster than by quoting liberals. The "fix" is in for such nonsense these days.....the liberals, the media, and the "doctors" who very much want a new "illness" to treat (and make billions doing it) are the problem. They're destroying our country.

Educate yourself again from the beginning and from better sources. Start by avoiding the nonsense you find at the other end of links from places like ABC News......

You're right, I've been educated on the subject. That does explain the difference of opinion.



The pertinent quotes come from scientists, not ABC News. Here are quotes from the actual study:

Evaluating Dopamine Reward Pathway in ADHD




Please, let's see your scientific sources that suggest otherwise.

The first way to exclude yourself from a serious conversation of a topic is to introduce links to liberal "news" nonsense. The second way is to use the word "scientists." These liberal clowns are mentally whacked nutjobs who are bought and paid for.

I fully believe that you believe everything you're typing. That doesn't make it so. It does make you part of the problem. If it is any consolation, you are not alone; there are countless millions of you who have been indoctrinated. That's why our nation is dying. Not your fault. Those who have greed, money and power as their motivation have built this elaborate scam and you are just one of many who have bought into it.

 

[Thor]

Pshh. If you don't want strangers beating your kids you barely deserve to call yourself a HUMAN.

Really, the net is broader...

 

[Thor]

This carried through high school too, as we had teachers who would and could kick your ass if they had to.
But that rarely happened because most guys weren't stupid enough to test them.

Heck yeah, at my HS they actually hired a guy to be the Asst. Principal who was a retired prize fighter...NOBODY wanted to cross him.

 

[Rookie]

ADHD a fake disorder, neurologist-turned-author says - Washington Times

 

[indiucky]

You don't believe that there is such a thing?

Don't brother....I am refraining...

 

[steveh_131]

The first way to exclude yourself from a serious conversation of a topic is to introduce links to liberal "news" nonsense. The second way is to use the word "scientists." These liberal clowns are mentally whacked nutjobs who are bought and paid for.

Believe me, I'm with you on the bought and paid-for scientists. Nevertheless, they are students of science and that is the correct term for them.

I'm open to any and all evidence that they are pharmaceutical shills, so please present it.

I fully believe that you believe everything you're typing. That doesn't make it so. It does make you part of the problem. If it is any consolation, you are not alone; there are countless millions of you who have been indoctrinated.

I've not been indoctrinated. Actually, I used to be on your side of this conversation. Then experience coupled with education taught me that I was wrong.

If you ever spent any significant amount of time with a child with a behavioral disorder such as this, I think that you would understand what I now understand about it - That discipline is certainly necessary, even for a kid with ADHD, but it is not a 'cure'.

 

[HoughMade]

"On no occasion was there an imminent danger of physical harm to the child or anyone else that required Defendant Sumner to handcuff the child behind the back above the elbow."

A quote from the ACLU lawyer looking for a big verdict? Possibly true, but hardly an objective source.

 

[steveh_131]

ADHD a fake disorder, neurologist-turned-author says - Washington Times

It's important to read what he actually said:

ADHD is only a collection of symptoms, not a disease or disorder in itself. It shouldn’t be listed as a separate disorder in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, he said, The New York Post reported.

I think he is correct that it is a catch-all, and I would make the same argument for Autism. But the symptoms still exist. The behavioral difficulties still exist.

Can it be abused and over-used, and used to control kids who are just acting like kids? Of course. Does that mean that we should lump every child with behavioral disorders into this category? Of course not.

 

[steveh_131]

A quote from the ACLU lawyer looking for a big verdict? Possibly true, but hardly an objective source.

Certainly agree, but it's going to be a tough road if they're going to argue that this grown man felt like he was in danger from a rambunctious 8-year old, especially if his disorders were all fake according to several INGO psychiatrists.

 

[Tactically Fat]

Wait... Science saying that ADHD is real is good...

But science saying that vaccines are good is bad...

Got it. Thanks.

 

[Rookie]

It's important to read what he actually said:



I think he is correct that it is a catch-all, and I would make the same argument for Autism. But the symptoms still exist. The behavioral difficulties still exist.

Can it be abused and over-used, and used to control kids who are just acting like kids? Of course. Does that mean that we should lump every child with behavioral disorders into this category? Of course not.

There's a lot more out there, including opinion from the creator of add, but I'm not that interested in trying to change a mind that's fixed.

 

[HoughMade]

Certainly agree, but it's going to be a tough road if they're going to argue that this grown man felt like he was in danger from a rambunctious 8-year old, especially if his disorders were all fake according to several INGO psychiatrists.

I don't care what disorders he had. I am interested in whether the restraint was reasonably necessary. If so, I see no problem in the video. If not, then there's a problem.

 

[WestSider]

"Mr. Saul said parents seek an easy way to get their children to sit down and shut up, and the treatments for ADHD — Adderall and Ritalian — do the trick."

Yep.

 

[edporch]

Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?
Kids learned and did their work.

 

[steveh_131]

Wait... Science saying that ADHD is real is good...

But science saying that vaccines are good is bad...

Got it. Thanks.

Science is neither good nor bad. Science is a methodology. Its practitioners can be good or bad.

Show me some evidence and I will consider it. I'm very open-minded that way.

 

[steveh_131]

There's a lot more out there, including opinion from the creator of add, but I'm not that interested in trying to change a mind that's fixed.

There is no 'creator' of ADHD. He was just a guy who observed some symptoms and assigned them a label.

He commented on the abuse of that label, not that the symptoms he observed were fictitious.

I am still open minded. Let's see some evidence. The brain scans show a difference in brain function, how do we explain that?

I am interested in whether the restraint was reasonably necessary.

I agree, if he can demonstrate that he was too inept to control an 8-year old boy with MODERATE behavioral problems, then maybe the handcuffs were necessary.

Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?

Why did we have almost no instances of autism then? I suspect that both questions could someday find the same answer.

 

[Rookie]

Then if ADHD is so real, then WHY in in the early 1960's in the days of strict disipline and no drugged kids did we not have it then?
Kids learned and did their work.

Not just the 60s. I'm a child of the 80s and we never heard of ADD. We did hear of junior getting his bottom smacked if he didn't behave. Funny thing, it worked every time and it was cheaper than a pill.

I've been involved with the whole mental disorder thing. First, it was depression, then separation anxiety, then Bi polar disorder, and who knows what is next on the list. Don't worry though, there's magic beans for everything. You know what the real diagnosis is? As a father, I allowed my child to play the victim card. As a result, she is unwilling to accept responsibility for any of her actions. It's always someone else's fault. Until she changes, no pill will help.