nonobaddog
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If something is true, it is true. Evidence is only useful to enlighten the people that do not yet know it is true.
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Last point first, the whole canard of sun up at 9pm is a few days around the solstice. Not a season.
Folks do all manor of things with the additional hour of light after work. The list is huge and everything is still open to do it.
Really? You don’t know this is the pattern of most families? Never thought that statement would be controversial. LOL
I guess I’m not “most people”. Up at 4:30-5 and leave for work at 7:20. Mornings are “my time” to wake up, play with the dogs, winter months play video games etc.
There's also a lot of unsupported assertion regarding when people wake in the morning.
According to this survey, half of all Americans are awake by 6:30AM:
WAKE ME UP: What time do Americans start their day? - Edison Research
Edison Research’s “Wake Me Up” study, commissioned by the Country Radio Seminar, provided us with many insights on Americans, including when they start their day. If you’re hoping to capture a morning audience, take a look at the graphic below: Our study, which was conducted only on weekdays...
www.edisonresearch.com
(Note that "average wake time" can be very misleading, given the non-normal curve. Most people are awake by 6:30, but the "average" wake time shifts to sometime after 7:00.)
Maybe your family but not mine
And as discussed at-length in this very thread: nearly all of those things can reasonably/successfully be done even after dark, thanks to artificial light.
Again: [Citation Needed]
I figure that like most things there is a balance. A third are night owls like me, a third are early risers like some of you, and a third that does not care though a majority like the evening light and those coalition’s make the political construct we live with.
With all these people you meet and work with you have no idea the life pattern of many of them? The citation is I have met and talked with people my whole life and that is what I have found.
I worked with second and third shifters a lot. I can guarantee that’s a lifestyle completely different. I know a few former 3rd shifters that still have that “sleep schedule” years later.
nonobaddog
Grandmaster
Exactly, citation not needed, common sense needed.
The plural of anecdote is not data. It doesn't matter how many people I (or you), personally, talk to or interact with.
I'll take "begging the question" for $200, Mayim.
nonobaddog
Grandmaster
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
Sticking with the logical fallacies category? I'll take "non-sequiturs" for $400, Mayim.
No I don't. It's my preference. And I supposed you could call it bias. But so is yours. This is not an objective thing. It depends on the factors that people prioritize. And that goes according to circumstances and even temperament. I've lived in areas of the country that are on the eastern edge of time zones. I've lived on western edges of time zones. And even smack dab in the middle. So I suppose being on an edge might also affect priorities for some factors.
Isn't there a saying about absence of evidence? The truth value of a proposition exists whether one has discovered evidence or not. So I'm a bit surprised that you'd say something that without evidence something isn't true. Or maybe you might have used clearer wording.
I think it might reasonably be considered as objective to prefer to align actual noon with solar noon in a given location - and as a corollary, that the farther away from solar noon actual noon is, the less desirable actual noon becomes. (In other words: I think it is reasonable to prefer that solar noon take place at 12:00PM rather than at 2:00PM.)
And, absolutely: living at extremes, whether longitudinal extremes for a given time zone, or latitudinal extremes anywhere, will influence preferences and priorities. Living in the geographic longitudinal center of a time zone will minimize solar cycle relative variation and living closer to the equator will minimize the solar cycle absolute variation.
