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[Thor]

Most people I know view a raise as a good thing.

I know I do...when the company gives the raise and it's not directed by the government. One is a raise the other is a business tax that only leads to inflation. Government directed wage increases are just another way to tax business and businesses don't pay taxes, they only pass them off in increased prices.

 

[Thor]

Not according to Rush Limbaugh and many Ingotarians. It's socialism, maybe even communism. See:

Seattle Business offering $70K min wage is failing

This guy made national headlines just 2-3 months ago saying that his company was going to offer all it's employees a $70K minimum wage. Well guess what, now the business is failing. I guess the CEO didn't think it had to make business sense, it just had be feel good and equal for all... Story...

www.indianagunowners.com

There's a lot of argumentation in there I disagree with. If the company has a business model that says it can support that and retain its employees good on them. If the government directs it then yes=socialism.

Also, if I work all my life to become a program manager and you pay the same to a schlep off the street who is earning money to do the minimum required then see you later, I'll find greener pastures because you obviously don't respect my time and tallent.

 

[Ziggidy]

Most people I know view a raise as a good thing.

I love raises, don't take my post the wrong way. It just means you and others will have to pay more for the same schtuff and I will pay more taxes. In the end no one wins.

 

[Leo]

A $35 an hour man that makes me $35 and hour profit is better than three $10/ hour guys that make me $3.00 an hour. Plus the $35/hour man values his job as well as the employer and shows it on a continual basis.

 

[bwframe]

A $35 an hour man that makes me $35 and hour profit is better than three $10/ hour guys that make me $3.00 an hour. Plus the $35/hour man values his job as well as the employer and shows it on a continual basis.

I'm guessing you don't run a business?

How much would your burger and fries cost if McD's were forced to pay that?

Wouldn't matter now would it? 'Cause they'd be out of business. No one would pay for that, much less the silly taxes on the purchase.

 

[foszoe]

I'm guessing you don't run a business?

How much would your burger and fries cost if McD's were forced to pay that?

Wouldn't matter now would it? 'Cause they'd be out of business. No one would pay for that, much less the silly taxes on the purchase.

Isn't that a little drastic?

I mean if they pay 30 workers in a store $5 more an hour ;that is how much a year? Spreading that over 1000s of transactions won't put them out of business. Would the price go up? sure.

 

[Ziggidy]

A $35 an hour man that makes me $35 and hour profit is better than three $10/ hour guys that make me $3.00 an hour. Plus the $35/hour man values his job as well as the employer and shows it on a continual basis

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I value my job and I don't make 35/hr., I also valued my job when I did make over 35/hr. I also believe my employers valued me most of my life, regardless of my pay.

Secondly, I believe you are comparing apples to oranges. Comparing bottom line contributions between companies can be misleading when focusing on one line.

 

[Ziggidy]

Isn't that a little drastic?

I mean if they pay 30 workers in a store $5 more an hour ;that is how much a year? Spreading that over 1000s of transactions won't put them out of business. Would the price go up? sure.

It could put people out of a job and that would hurt the economy.

 

[Ziggidy]

Years ago people were proud just to be able to work. People were responsible and looked at the entry level jobs as a start of their journey in life. Today, the left has indoctrinated the minds of people that they deserve more (entitlements). An order taker at McD's was never intended to support a family or get some one out of poverty. It was a starter job and with motivation and encouragement, open the doors to a better opportunity.

Today is different. People expect McD to be able to support them through life.

 

[Leo]

I'm guessing you don't run a business?

How much would your burger and fries cost if McD's were forced to pay that?

Wouldn't matter now would it? 'Cause they'd be out of business. No one would pay for that, much less the silly taxes on the purchase.

You guessed wrong

I was a partner in Greatline Communications installation company in the City of Chicago. It started in my personal van. In two years we went from 4 on payroll to 70. Forty of which were Union Journeymen, some apprentices, some utility or office workers. Some at long term assignments like Hospitals and others were on big installs, like several floors of highrise office buildings. Since many were ex Ma Bell installers we easily became installers whenever AT&T sold a new system. We also did premise wiring for a dozen business computer companies. Stating pay workers of $15/hour really never made us much profit, but they kept the more skilled employees from being bogged down with mundane work. Ideally they would grow into $36.36 an hour men, which was a win/win. Sometimes you had to let them go. There was no way I could babysit cheap techs at that many job sites at once.

Keep also in mind, wages in Chicago are a bit higher. An office elevator operator or door man was a $15/hour job in 1990. I have no experience in a hamburger business.

 

[Ziggidy]

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[Ziggidy]

You guessed wrong

I was a partner in Greatline Communications installation company in the City of Chicago. It started in my personal van. In two years we went from 4 on payroll to 70. Forty of which were Union Journeymen, some apprentices, some utility or office workers. Some at long term assignments like Hospitals and others were on big installs, like several floors of highrise office buildings. Since many were ex Ma Bell installers we easily became installers whenever AT&T sold a new system. We also did premise wiring for a dozen business computer companies. Stating pay workers of $15/hour really never made us much profit, but they kept the more skilled employees from being bogged down with mundane work. Ideally they would grow into $36.36 an hour men, which was a win/win. Sometimes you had to let them go. There was no way I could babysit cheap techs at that many job sites at once.

Keep also in mind, wages in Chicago are a bit higher. An office elevator operator or door man was a $15/hour job in 1990. I have no experience in a hamburger business.

Ever do any hospital work in Elmhurst?


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[Thor]

Time and effort is worth money when coupled with ability. No ability equals no value. Get off your ass and learn how to support yourself.

 

[Leo]

Ever do any hospital work in Elmhurst?


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We did not, at least while I was part of the business.

 

[bwframe]

You guessed wrong

I was a partner in Greatline Communications installation company in the City of Chicago. It started in my personal van. In two years we went from 4 on payroll to 70. Forty of which were Union Journeymen, some apprentices, some utility or office workers. Some at long term assignments like Hospitals and others were on big installs, like several floors of highrise office buildings. Since many were ex Ma Bell installers we easily became installers whenever AT&T sold a new system. We also did premise wiring for a dozen business computer companies. Stating pay workers of $15/hour really never made us much profit, but they kept the more skilled employees from being bogged down with mundane work. Ideally they would grow into $36.36 an hour men, which was a win/win. Sometimes you had to let them go. There was no way I could babysit cheap techs at that many job sites at once.

Keep also in mind, wages in Chicago are a bit higher. An office elevator operator or door man was a $15/hour job in 1990. I have no experience in a hamburger business.

Thank you! That explains a lot.

You said was. What business are you running now?

 

[Leo]

Time and effort is worth money when coupled with ability. No ability equals no value. Get off your ass and learn how to support yourself.

That is the biggest thing. Even in the factories, people get short sighted. Say the plant posts openings for millwright apprentices. I let a few guys on the production line know about it. They are not willing to take a slight pay cut for a couple years and loose the weekend overtime. In 4 years they will be at a higher pay scale than they could ever make on the line, but they don't want to invest in themselves.

When I was an apprentice, work was slow, so I signed up for every training there was. I even earned a certificate in radio/TV broadcast, even though I never used it, the opportunity was possible. and it only cost me time.

 

[Leo]

Thank you! That explains a lot.

You said was. What business are you running now?

I retired at 47 and earned two more degrees then worked as a counselor and associate Pastor. I stopped working for money but still do volunteer work as possible.

 

[bwframe]

I managed restaurants my first career. I had worked for a company six years and was shopping other companies.

My former boss and HS friend had moved to a headhunter job through his contact with them placing managers at the company I was leaving.

I told Richard that I needed to at least match the salary I was making. He said the only places I could do that were in Chicago.

Of course, the caviat was that the cost of living was double. I'd also have to get rid of my pistols and most of my pocket knives. Self defense was not allowed there, where the grocery bill rivaled my monthly Indiana morgage payment.

 

[Sitcomdad83]

I personally have never been a union member but worked at a company that still had a union but the union was only for workers doing a couple jobs there. It seemed they were striking or threatening to every other week. I believe in unions but I'd have to think hard about joining one based on what I've seen.

 

[bwframe]

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