Buying and Selling questions

[firecadet613]

USCCA had an article on this subject a while back. I've used this form "INDIANA FIREARM BILL OF SALE" a quick search on the internet will bring up the form to print off. It's for my own record keeping.

Be sure you discuss that before you meet up. Most will not agree to a bill of sale or receipt.

 

[blain]

So basically, as long as they cover the legal bases, sellers can add any stipulations they care to?
Like only selling to naturally red headed people, between the ages of 45-79, on Tuesday mornings between 10:04am and 11:52am?

 

[firecadet613]

So basically, as long as they cover the legal bases, sellers can add any stipulations they care to?
Like only selling to naturally red headed people, between the ages of 45-79, on Tuesday mornings between 10:04am and 11:52am?

It's a private sale. Why can't the seller set the terms?

 

[1nderbeard]

I get more info from a 30 second 'vibe check' and conversation than a pink card and DL.
Never had a bad experience buying/selling INGO.
But I understand people wanting to verify I'm a proper IN resident. Doesn't bother me to show them the cards.

 

[TJ Kackowski]

1. Some people specify the need to see a potential buyers LTCH and IN drivers license. I am wondering the reason(s) behind this practice. What if someone relies on Constitutional Carry and does Not have a LTCH? I understand asking to see a legal identification (ie - drivers license). Especially with the illegal alien invasion.

2. I read the statement or variation thereof “will sell to proper person”. What criteria makes someone a “proper person”! Also, who is the arbiter deciding who is or is not a “proper person”?

I have my LTCH and Indiana drivers license so it wouldn’t be an issue for me. I’m just curious.

This is a private sale ... State Law DEFINES proper person, but Seller DECIDES who is a proper person based upon their personal criteria (and sometimes gut feelings).

If you deal with established INGO members, you aren't likely to have any issues.

When I sell a firearm, I stipulate that if I don't know you personally, I want to see you IN DL and LTCH, no information recorded. In reality what typically happens is we both identify ourselves when we arrive, shake hands and complete the deal without ever looking at any sort of .gov issued cards, and most times without even counting the money. Then, depending on the weather, we may BS for a spell.

So basically, as long as they cover the legal bases, sellers can add any stipulations they care to?
Like only selling to naturally red headed people, between the ages of 45-79, on Tuesday mornings between 10:04am and 11:52am?

Yes, we're discussing private sales, so Seller sets the terms. In your example, the Seller has created a fairly limited customer base, but a customer base that they are comfortable dealing with.

 

[Nugget]

When I sell a firearm, I stipulate that if I don't know you personally, I want to see you IN DL and LTCH, no information recorded. In reality what typically happens is we both identify ourselves when we arrive, shake hands and complete the deal without ever looking at any sort of .gov issued cards, and most times without even counting the money. Then, depending on the weather, we may BS for a spell.

This. If anyone on here ever has a transaction that doesn't look exactly like this, you're either too paranoid (as the seller), too suspicious looking (as the buyer), or too awkward/weird (as either).

 

[agn]

Well, as of today, this thread kind of takes a turn.

It looks like 30 days from now, all private sales require a background check.

 

[gassprint1]

Well, as of today, this thread kind of takes a turn.

It looks like 30 days from now, all private sales require a background check.

Yep, better apply for that FFL license. Just think, you can buy guns directly from manufacturers then...lol

 

[Mij]

Well, as of today, this thread kind of takes a turn.

It looks like 30 days from now, all private sales require a background check.

May want to read it again. But that’s only an old guy’s opinion.

 

[flint stonez]

Well, as of today, this thread kind of takes a turn.

It looks like 30 days from now, all private sales require a background check.

What? Can you provide a link to where this information comes from?

 

[actaeon277]

Gun show loophole closing?

New rule seems to be going into effect shortly. How will this affect sites such as INGO and Armslist for people buying and selling firearms? From what I read, it says sellers looking to make a profit with have to have a FFL.

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[Mij]

What? Can you provide a link to where this information comes from?

The brown text is a link

 

[flint stonez]

Hmmm. I have lots of questions. Doesn’t seem cut and dry.

 

[flint stonez]

The brown text is a link

Got it. Didn’t show up that way on my phone.
Thanks

 

[flint stonez]

From a quick read it appears as if it’s for people selling as there main means of profit.
Seems like this could easily lead to all sales between individuals.

 

[agn]

I can't imagine how this will work.

It almost sounds like any sale where a profit is declared will require it?

 

[Mij]

I can't imagine how this will work.

It almost sounds like any sale where a profit is declared will require it?

Hmmm. I have lots of questions. Doesn’t seem cut and dry.

I think it’s being discussed in this thread, may clear up some q’s

Gun show loophole closing?

New rule seems to be going into effect shortly. How will this affect sites such as INGO and Armslist for people buying and selling firearms? From what I read, it says sellers looking to make a profit with have to have a FFL.

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[flint stonez]

The rule appears to take the Huge step requiring an unlicensed seller to run a background check (fill out form 4473) through an FFL. Once this is accepted it’s a much smaller (and easier) step to require ALL sellers (private sales) have an FFL run a background check and fill out a form 4473.
So basically this will eventually do away with all private sales. And as a lot of us have been saying for many many years - registration leads to confiscation. This “rule” isn’t about stopping anything illegal. It’s all about having a registry of gun owners with the ability to disarm law abiding citizens. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[agn]

The rule appears to take the Huge step requiring an unlicensed seller to run a background check (fill out form 4473) through an FFL. Once this is accepted it’s a much smaller (and easier) step to require ALL sellers (private sales) have an FFL run a background check and fill out a form 4473.
So basically this will eventually do away with all private sales. And as a lot of us have been saying for many many years - registration leads to confiscation. This “rule” isn’t about stopping anything illegal. It’s all about having a registry of gun owners with the ability to disarm law abiding citizens. No one will ever convince me otherwise.

That would indeed effectively create a registry.

 

[Keith_Indy]

If you deal with established INGO members, you aren't likely to have any issues.

When I sell a firearm, I stipulate that if I don't know you personally, I want to see you IN DL and LTCH, no information recorded.

Yeah, so far I've not had an issue selling to established INGO members.

I've just received 2 offers today from members with very little or no posting history.

If they don't have a LTCH then we're doing the transfer at an FFL. That should weed out the non proper persons. That's my theory at least.