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AR optics review - Vortex Viper vs Leupold Mark AR
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Interesting. Eventually I have to make a decision for my AR. Not sure if I want a longer range capable scope or a 1X-? scope. I have always considered the Vortex brand though I grew up in a family where Leupold was "king".
One thing I didn't care for was the lack of crosshairs on the Vortex. I have older eyes so I think I would want a crosshair I could see.
One thing I didn't care for was the lack of crosshairs on the Vortex. I have older eyes so I think I would want a crosshair I could see.
I think you will find the 1MOA center dot to be a god sent, and very easy to pick up even with the illumination off.
This is the scope I'm wanting and with a quick release mount.
I was leaning towards the Vortex Viper PST, but after reading this I might get the Leupold. Nice review. Thanks for taking your time to give a honest review.
Weight is really the only reason to go the Leupold route. The vortex is nicer in just about every aspect.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Weight is a very key thing especially when throwing it in a QD. It will be replacing an AimPoint in all likelihood.
I enjoyed your review very much.. I enjoyed the honesty of your personal believe verse what people want you and let me make a choice. Going further I would have really enjoyed seeing the other two scopes compared the Burris and Primary Arms are more in my price range.
venenoindy
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I purchase a Vortex with a lot high expectations and in general the scope is great, the problem I encounter was that the illumination was out during the day and if you aim at a dark spot even with maximum setting I couldn't see the aiming point. I did end up selling it ot just wasn't for me.
All and all I think this is a fair review.
The only thing I would add is I'm not sure those eye relief numbers are correct. On minimum zoom the PST has a 24mm entrance pupil, where the Leupold has a 13.3mm entrance pupil. The entrance pupil is the biggest determining factor in eye relief forgiveness (I.E. eye box). The erector housing will help the Leupold a little in the exit pupil category, as well as the larger eye piece, but not nearly enough to make up for the smaller entrance pupil. The erector housing, and eye piece will have a little effect on the exit pupil, but generally speaking they wont effect it over a couple mm.
Long story short, there is no "principal's of optics" (if that is a term) that can explain how the Leupold could possibly win in that category. The advantage to the Leupold is that it is 4.8 oz lighter than the PST 1-4. To some people that is a big difference, but most folks wont notice 4.8 OZ when its mounted on the receiver of a rifle.
The only thing I would add is I'm not sure those eye relief numbers are correct. On minimum zoom the PST has a 24mm entrance pupil, where the Leupold has a 13.3mm entrance pupil. The entrance pupil is the biggest determining factor in eye relief forgiveness (I.E. eye box). The erector housing will help the Leupold a little in the exit pupil category, as well as the larger eye piece, but not nearly enough to make up for the smaller entrance pupil. The erector housing, and eye piece will have a little effect on the exit pupil, but generally speaking they wont effect it over a couple mm.
Long story short, there is no "principal's of optics" (if that is a term) that can explain how the Leupold could possibly win in that category. The advantage to the Leupold is that it is 4.8 oz lighter than the PST 1-4. To some people that is a big difference, but most folks wont notice 4.8 OZ when its mounted on the receiver of a rifle.
I think what this is telling me is that I need to check scopes out in person to see what I like. Thanks men!
Never a bad idea. If you have the same issues as posted above you would be the second person I've heard of having that issue in all I've sold. Assuming I'm interpreting the post correctly.
I have heard of the illumination washing out in bright sun (very rare and never see it in the 20 ish pst 1-4's I've used) but watching out with the illumination on against a black target doesn't sound right. Even non daylight visible scopes will stand out on black.
It sounds like Venenoindy's scope should gave been sent back.
I have heard of the illumination washing out in bright sun (very rare and never see it in the 20 ish pst 1-4's I've used) but watching out with the illumination on against a black target doesn't sound right. Even non daylight visible scopes will stand out on black.
It sounds like Venenoindy's scope should gave been sent back.
No sweat.. I enjoyed the review. I run a Vortex crossfire 2 on my ar. Love vortex products. The cross hair (for lack of better term) on the primary arms intrigues me + it's a 1 to 6 power. But maybe another time. I hope you post more of your reviews here.
It's hard to tell from the picture, but the PST does have a crosshair and illuminated aiming dot in between the larger illuminated ring that you can see in the pics. The center dot is very easy to see, while still being small and precise. I really like it.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-1-4x24-riflescope-with-tmcq-moa-reticle/reticle
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