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[KLB]

If you entered this country illegally you forfeited your rights as you are not a citizen and have broken the law, Not sure how you want to handle illegals or the border so please expound.

I'm not talking about illegals or even legal immigrants. I'm talking about you and me. Ever been stopped at a checkpoint inside the US?

Do you know the powers that ICE/CPB has along our border? Do you know what entails the border?

People won't like the source, but this gives a bit of an overview.

Know Your Rights | 100 Mile Border Zone | American Civil Liberties Union

The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects people from random and arbitrary stops and searches. Although the federal government claims the power to conduct certain kinds of warrantless stops within 100 miles of the U.S. border, important Fourth Amendment protections still apply. This...

www.aclu.org

 

[flatlander]

Okay. You and me then. Being of mixed Hispanic heritage, I've been stopped in the SW and used my valid ID to establish my identity. I've gone back and forth across the southern border and dealt with it. What's the problem with that when you are close to the border?
You advocate there is no reason to require people to provide ID due to our laws. IF you are an illegal your rights are secondary to mine of being able to live without fear of violence. If you make it into the U.S. illegally you do not get a free ride. I'm sure all the cartel and terrorists in the country illegally appreciate our lax enforcement.

 

[DadSmith]

 

[Shadow01]

Merely committing or alleged committing of an illegal act does not forfeit rights.

The constitution was not written to protect noncitizens.

 

[MCgrease08]

The constitution was not written to protect noncitizens.

Section 1 of the 14th Amendment does define "citizens" but it also expressly says, "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

 

[KLB]

Okay. You and me then. Being of mixed Hispanic heritage, I've been stopped in the SW and used my valid ID to establish my identity. I've gone back and forth across the southern border and dealt with it. What's the problem with that when you are close to the border?
You advocate there is no reason to require people to provide ID due to our laws. IF you are an illegal your rights are secondary to mine of being able to live without fear of violence. If you make it into the U.S. illegally you do not get a free ride. I'm sure all the cartel and terrorists in the country illegally appreciate our lax enforcement.

Close? You call 100 miles close?

 

[Hawkeye]

Anybody coming into the United States illegally should be considered a national security threat and treated accordingly.
When I tried for years to get my Iraqi interpreter over here and constantly was given bs denials and hoops to jump just to be told no I'm a little ****ing pissed when people with no skin in the game want to give illegals rights. **** them

None of which goes to my point.

 

[Hkindiana]

Merely committing or alleged committing of an illegal act does not forfeit rights.

If you entered this country illegally, you NEVER HAD American constitutional rights to forfeit

 

[Hawkeye]

The constitution was not written to protect noncitizens.

You do realize that you are wrong, don't you?

 

[Hawkeye]

If you entered this country illegally, you NEVER HAD American constitutional rights to forfeit

You do realize that you are wrong, don't you?
(Noe often that you can use the exact same reply to two different posts!)

 

[flatlander]

None of which goes to my point.

Which I was not addressing.
While I certainly agree with less .gov agencies going armed, some of it is needed. I suppose we could always put Marines back guarding ALL shipping as they did the mail once upon a time. Bet the L.A. railways would be a bunch tidier.

 

[flatlander]

Close? You call 100 miles close?

I have NO trouble tracking down from sea to shining sea. 100 miles isn't even a tank of gas away from the border.

 

[CampingJosh]

The constitution was not written to protect noncitizens.

The Constitution, as written, does not give the Federal government any authority to control immigration.

 

[BugI02]

I'll disagree with you on this. I don't want the policing agency for Congress to be run and funded by the DC. But what's wrong with making them an arm of the US Marshals Service? Along with the cops that we have for the Supreme Court and other Courts.

That would work, too. IMO, the important consideration is to deprive the speaker of the house, any speaker of the house, of a private army and at the same time place them within a chain of command that is more accountable to the people

Sadly, even making them a division of the DC police would be an improvement over their current accountability

 

[spencer rifle]

“The Constitution and U.S. laws are not a treaty with the universe; they protect U.S. citizens.” - Former attorney general Michael Mukasey

 

[Jaybird1980]

If you entered this country illegally, you NEVER HAD American constitutional rights to forfeit

They're not American Constitutional rights. They're your natural born rights. The American Constitution is to protect those rights.

 

[spencer rifle]

They're not American Constitutional rights. They're your natural born rights. The American Constitution is to protect those rights.

So humans have a natural born right to come here under no terms whatsoever?

 

[Jaybird1980]

So humans have a natural born right to come here under no terms whatsoever?

Is that what my post says?

There is a legal way to come to this country. If you choose to do it illegally you're a criminal, that doesn't automatically remove their rights.

 

[spencer rifle]

Is that what my post says?

There is a legal way to come to this country. If you choose to do it illegally you're a criminal, that doesn't automatically remove their rights.

So people have a natural right to do illegal things?

 

[actaeon277]

I have NO trouble tracking down from sea to shining sea. 100 miles isn't even a tank of gas away from the border.

100 miles does not refer to arresting people.
100 miles refers to setting up "border checkpoints" to ask for proof of citizenship.