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  • Twangbanger

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    Obiden is garbage.. oh well , it won't be long till he's 25thed and Harris is the president. Thanks again biden voters

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    Q: If the Left is getting pretty much everything they want in "stealth mode" with Xiden, and voters are not engaged & basically letting it happen...why would they 25th him, in favor of a candidate who wouldn't sneak under the radar as easily?
     

    Chance

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    That is the game they love the best. It is a deep and twisted rabbit hole that we the middle class can not navigate without all of those you mention.
    THIS! I always said we should be paid in cash and then have to go to each of the “donate to this country” offices, illegal immigrants benefit office and a few “able but unwilling” to work individuals and hand over cash from what you earned. This crap would stop immediately. It is easy to “procure” what someone else has earned if they never get to touch it in the first place.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    Oh I am not finger pointing just using your example as a springboard as to how those leeches operate.

    But in truth we will never loose those branchs of the military and in my mind we should not. This is a seriously troubled world. We need that line of defense IMHO. How we use them is an issue I agree.

    If we stop sending crates of money to 3rd world dictators and countrys that care less than less about us that would be huge. But so much of that finds its way back into the pockets of the POS that set it up and we never see it nor will they stop the revenue streams.
    Agreed, we definitely shouldn't be in the business of sending money to countries that want to destroy us.. as far as those 2 branches of the military go, I always try to have my biblical glasses on when looking at a picture and in that I know God tells us that anyone that gets involved In that middle eastern cauldron will be swallowed into it.. that where I would just as soon we didn't have them and divert that money in part do protecting our shore lines by strengthening naval and air (plus naval and air are less likely to be used against us) let each state have total autonomous control of their national guard, let militas be ready and with air superior and costal superiority there would be no danger of land invasions (at least I don't think any country would be that stupid, especially if they knew we had no issues with melting their country into I giant sheet of glass)
    I'm a history geek and one thing every country that has fallen into some type of dictatorship has in common, is at some point they have aligned with the standing military that was supposed to protect them. Some countries started that way, some ended that way, but they all have been that way at some point and as I read from the days of Adam and eve till now, I see this repeated cycle that has never stopped. I reckon in the end, only Jesus Christ will put a stop to it.. im just hoping we can slow it down until he gets here:)

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    JettaKnight

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    As for the taxes, if they're going to continue to spend like drunken sailors, then at some point the bill has to be paid. Where we differ is in whether or not they should be spending like drunken sailors in the first place.
    Yup.

    Trump got tax cuts under the guise of forthcoming spending cuts - that never materialized.

    The best solution is do away with IRS and income tax and just have sales tax. There's millions, maybe billions saved by eliminating another pork branch over bloated government and it would make taxes fair across the board. No paper work, no IRS, no middle man, no tax attorneys or loophole.. problem solved
    They could simplify the income tax. But then who would keep Turbo Tax in business?


    If you focus everything onto sales tax, then you're going to get a huge black market economy because of high incentives to cheat.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    Q: If the Left is getting pretty much everything they want in "stealth mode" with Xiden, and voters are not engaged & basically letting it happen...why would they 25th him, in favor of a candidate who wouldn't sneak under the radar as easily?
    Because biden is not nearly as progressive as many would like. Even Pelos I think to some degree sees the insanity that the cabal, deepstate, globalists.. whatever you want to call them is.
    Their agenda is much much darker than people realize. Their utopia consists of just enough working class to keep the hand full of elites in control of the dwindling resources. Listen to some of the EU and UNs live conventions on agenda 21... this is not far right conspiracy, these are words coming from the mouths of world leaders. If you carefully read between the lines , they want to reduce the world's population by about 66%, they cleverly veil this with phrases like "sustainable population" but as you read and hear other articles you will see what a dystopia they really envision. Some of what they propose may be good ideas but there is some very dark undertones in agenda 21. Again, don't read or listen to the right wing conspiracy sites on the subject, download the actual proposal and listen to the UN and EUs joint sessions on the topic and form your own opinion

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    JettaKnight

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    That is the game they love the best. It is a deep and twisted rabbit hole that we the middle class can not navigate without all of those you mention.
    All politicians are keeping it that way because they're paid by lobbyist to keep it complex.


    There's no reason that the state and feds can't send out a pre-filled form, "If this is right, sign it, send it in, and we'll get you refund."
    Especially for retirees - it's sooooo simple, but I've been entering in 1099R after 1099R so these people can get their $200 from the state.
     

    JettaKnight

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    Because biden is not nearly as progressive as many would like. Even Pelos I think to some degree sees the insanity that the cabal, deepstate, globalists.. whatever you want to call them is.
    Their agenda is much much darker than people realize. Their utopia consists of just enough working class to keep the hand full of elites in control of the dwindling resources. Listen to some of the EU and UNs live conventions on agenda 21... this is not far right conspiracy, these are words coming from the mouths of world leaders. If you carefully read between the lines , they want to reduce the world's population by about 66%, they cleverly veil this with phrases like "sustainable population" but as you read and hear other articles you will see what a dystopia they really envision. Some of what they propose may be good ideas but there is some very dark undertones in agenda 21. Again, don't read or listen to the right wing conspiracy sites on the subject, download the actual proposal and listen to the UN and EUs joint sessions on the topic and form your own opinion

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    You talk like it's just the Democrats that want to control the world.


    Bless your heart.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    Yup.

    Trump got tax cuts under the guise of forthcoming spending cuts - that never materialized.


    They could simplify the income tax. But then who would keep Turbo Tax in business?


    If you focus everything onto sales tax, then you're going to get a huge black market economy because of high incentives to cheat.
    Lol right.. and yeah, there would be a black market but like now, as long as sales tax was kept reasonable I reckon the majority of us would keep buying our cigarettes or whatever at 7-11 or wherever other than the black market.. maybe not though..:/

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    Chance

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    Flat tax on all retail purchases. I had heard between 11 and 17% would cover everything. You pay the tax one time on new purchased items. Don’t care about black market, it doesn’t matter. No IRS. Takes all of this control structure out of the picture and you decide if you want to purchase new. Applies to every purchase ( bottled water to new cars) so everyone pays it. Even those that are “permanent visitors” to this country.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    You talk like it's just the Democrats that want to control the world.


    Bless your heart.
    Not at all, much the opposite... Republicans and liberals are both just pawns of those bent on world domination. Some are more transparent about it... on both sides... its seems as both sides are getting more brazen about letting it be known... but I do believe there are those out there in the political arena that don't want America to fall into this globalist hell... like him or not, I think Trump was one of them, I suspect DeSantis of Florida may be another, I used to think gowdy and a couple other were not globalist but it's so dang difficult to cut through all the smoke and mirrors.

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    spec4

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    My gut tells me Harris will be every bit as bad as Biden with a huge dose of communism tossed in for all of us.

    We have almost four more years of this or more to deal with. We will share our thoughts on this fine forum, vote our conscious and pray for America to prevail over all. Can't put my feelings in one word, but afraid and disgusted comes to mind.
     

    Leadeye

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    Yup.

    Trump got tax cuts under the guise of forthcoming spending cuts - that never materialized.


    They could simplify the income tax. But then who would keep Turbo Tax in business?


    If you focus everything onto sales tax, then you're going to get a huge black market economy because of high incentives to cheat.

    Scofflaws trading maple syrup for eggs.;)
     

    JettaKnight

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    Flat tax on all retail purchases. I had heard between 11 and 17% would cover everything. You pay the tax one time on new purchased items. Don’t care about black market, it doesn’t matter. No IRS. Takes all of this control structure out of the picture and you decide if you want to purchase new. Applies to every purchase ( bottled water to new cars) so everyone pays it. Even those that are “permanent visitors” to this country.
    You mean the “permanent visitors” that pay income tax now, yet aren't eligible for stimulus payments, or EIC, or a number of other things?
     

    churchmouse

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    THIS! I always said we should be paid in cash and then have to go to each of the “donate to this country” offices, illegal immigrants benefit office and a few “able but unwilling” to work individuals and hand over cash from what you earned. This crap would stop immediately. It is easy to “procure” what someone else has earned if they never get to touch it in the first place.
    Bingo.

    Ask any self employed as to the real rate we are taxed. He will see every tax from the obvious to the hidden ones. Throw in all the state/local and federal Bull **** and it adds up fast.
     

    Chance

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    Be just a bit more clear on who you are referring to so we can load up the cannons and bring them to bear please.

    :):
    I mean the permanent visitors that are working day labor or at the dairy and chicken farms and getting paid $$ under the table. Using our tax funded support (medical, schools, etc.) while this country cannot even take care of their own homeless and children.
     

    John58

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    Be just a bit more clear on who you are referring to so we can load up the cannons and bring them to bear please.

    :):
    Welcome to Socialism courtesy of the Democratic Party, ALL are getting the payments, illegal immigrants, the unemployed that are just to lazy to work, welfare recipients who are to lazy to work and even those in prison, free money for all thanks from those of us that actually work or are retired and earned it all.

    The question is when are the people going to say enough is enough and put a stop to it?
     

    churchmouse

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    I mean the permanent visitors that are working day labor or at the dairy and chicken farms and getting paid $$ under the table. Using our tax funded support (medical, schools, etc.) while this country cannot even take care of their own homeless and children.
    OK. I knew who you meant.

    I was pointing to Jetta.

    So whos fault actually are we blaming for those under the table workers. Look to the tax rules and over regulated burdens Gov. applies to business. Again ask someone that is self employed and had people on payroll.
    These workers cost about half as much in the overall and most work like Hebrew slaves. So where does the real issue exist.

    Not knocking anyone in this thread this is a solid question that has many answers.
     
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