17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[Mackey]

Why should we give the benefit of the doubt to the Kroger shooter?
Why should we give the benefit of the doubt to any gun owner involved in a shooting?

Just because the "victim" was a "kid"? It was a "kid" that shot that Village Pantry worker in the head during a robbery, for example, so I am not that swayed by age alone..

Until we know all the facts, I personally am taking a more neutral stance.

You can sit on the fence if you want. What we discuss here has no bearing on the actual case. It's just opinion Roadie ... and in my and many others' opinions it looks like some a-hole got trigger happy. If I were on a jury I'd be neutral. I'm not.
If you look at this from the kid's family's perspective, seems like the system and many others have already lined up on the side of the "shooter".

 

[Hookeye]

Some kids can be truly evil (met one, miles deep eyes, yrs ago, called it 6 yrs before they locked him up for life).

Ex works with junior murderers/rapists/wackos.........she's seen it too.

Age doesn't remove threat.

 

[strahd71]

Some kids can be truly evil (met one, miles deep eyes, yrs ago, called it 6 yrs before they locked him up for life).

Ex works with junior murderers/rapists/wackos.........she's seen it too.

Age doesn't remove threat.

i've worked with juvies in a locked intensive treatment program. think locked psych ward, all doors locked, including bedrooms and bathrooms, all silverware counted and locked, steel screens on the windows (bars), "treatment" rooms, restraints, cuffs, etc.

your right some are just bad, and yes some are evil.......... i have personally wrestled with the devil

jake

 

[billmyn]

scenario , teen walking down st. shooter see's teen , does not recognize calls 911 to report strange person , 911 says we will handle it , shooter doesn't want kid to get away tries to detain . the kid is unwilling to be detained so shooter tries physical restrain , kid fights off a total strangers attack . shooter getting his head thumped pulls pistol and kills teen . wittiness only see altercation in progress not events leading up to physical altercation and shooting . put yourself in the kids shoes what would you do.

 

[strahd71]

scenario , teen walking down st. shooter see's teen , does not recognize calls 911 to report strange person , 911 says we will handle it , shooter doesn't want kid to get away tries to detain . the kid is unwilling to be detained so shooter tries physical restrain , kid fights off a total strangers attack . shooter getting his head thumped pulls pistol and kills teen . wittiness only see altercation in progress not events leading up to physical altercation and shooting . put yourself in the kids shoes what would you do.

in that case the shooter is a douche bag and needs to be charged

jake

 

[billmyn]

yeah but all the whittness seen was the shooter getting his head thumped by kid , dont know that shooter instigated the confrontation , looks justified .

 

[Que]

I'm sure the kid did SOMETHING to cause the watch captain to shoot him. What other reason could possibly exist to cause an adult to shoot a child? He wasn't arrested and no charges are being filed. The parents can't even hear the 911 call, so apparently there is nothing to prove the watch captain did anything wrong. Nothing will come of this and that's just how it goes.

 

[billmyn]

yeah probably right but in time everything we do catches up with us . and if it were my child you could refer to me as father time.

 

[strahd71]

I'm sure the kid did SOMETHING to cause the watch captain to shoot him. What other reason could possibly exist to cause an adult to shoot a child? He wasn't arrested and no charges are being filed. The parents can't even hear the 911 call, so apparently there is nothing to prove the watch captain did anything wrong. Nothing will come of this and that's just how it goes.

its hard telling, adults can do stupid things too, i'd like to think that a teenager wouldnt be shot for nothing.........

it will be interesting to see how it plays out in many respects

jake

 

[Bunnykid68]

Watch Captain was self appointed and only 26 years old. I remember how much of a kid I still was at 26, just saying

 

[Que]

its hard telling, adults can do stupid things too, i'd like to think that a teenager wouldnt be shot for nothing.........

it will be interesting to see how it plays out in many respects

jake

I forget to use purple sometimes.

This kid probably grew up without his father, who just recently came into the picture. The kid was probably angry because his father rejected him for so many years and then when he's invited to visit him, he's sent to the store to buy the snacks, while his step-brother is allowed to stay at home. The kid was probably upset and only knew how to deal with it in the same way he did at home when he was runnin' with the Crips, so he found someone to beat up. Unfortunately, the only person he found just happened to be a licensed to carry a gun and was ready to deal with the situation in the proper way.

This whole thing can be solved just by attending the funeral to see how many blue bandanas are thrown in his casket by the home boys. I'm sure this could have all been avoided if his father had played a role in his life; he had grown up in a better neighborhood and not been taught to live on welfare.

There is no way that adult could have done anything wrong. I'm sure he had a father, grew up in the right neighborhood, and certainly was not on welfare! That little police record he has was certainly something that occurred when he was in college or something. That shouldn't be taken into account, because sometimes a kid just needs a second chance.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm sure the kid did SOMETHING to cause the watch captain to shoot him. What other reason could possibly exist to cause an adult to shoot a child? He wasn't arrested and no charges are being filed. The parents can't even hear the 911 call, so apparently there is nothing to prove the watch captain did anything wrong. Nothing will come of this and that's just how it goes.

I'm actually sure of that too. However, were the kids actions legal? If the guy tried to detain the kid, and the kid laid a serious smackdown on him, then at that point the man may have feared for his life and believed he had to shoot the kid. The problem, only one of the participants actions were illegal, and it wasnt the unarmed 17 year old with skittles in his pocket.

Another thing I forgot to mention is about the shooters weapon. I just took for granted that it was concealed. If the shooter had been open carrying, that even further escalates the situation. If the kid was aware of the gun, at some point during the altercation with (to him) a stranger, he may have easily believe that he was fighting for his life.

The problem again, is that there is only one story that we will ever get; the shooters. A guy who intentionally forced a confrontation with an unarmed juvenile who had a legal right to be where he was, and as far as we know, wasn't breaking any laws. I'm sorry, that just stinks.

I'm betting that this may end up in the hand of the DOJ.

 

[indiucky]

I wonder where his lawyer went to Law School to get his great command of the English language.

Quote from family's attorney, Miami Dade Herald.

“Why any neighborhood watchman be carrying a loaded gun?,’’ said Benjamin Crump, the family’s attorney. “They are just trying to sweep his death under a rug.”

Read more here: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com​

 

[Mackey]

I wonder where his lawyer went to Law School to get his great command of the English language.

Quote from family's attorney, Miami Dade Herald.

“Why any neighborhood watchman be carrying a loaded gun?,’’ said Benjamin Crump, the family’s attorney. “They are just trying to sweep his death under a rug.”

Read more here: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com​

Do you think that the lawyer was trying to use his best speaking ability or that he was using black American ethnic speech?
I think maybe we be exhibiting a little racism here.

 

[CarmelHP]

Do you think that the lawyer was trying to use his best speaking ability or that he was using black American ethnic speech?
I think maybe we be exhibiting a little racism here.

Perhaps you are.

 

[Aaronhome27]

IMHO ....... It looks to me like this. The "captain" was told by police to let them deal with the situation and were in route. The "captain" pursued or followed the boy anyway after being told not to. In doing so he should be considered the aggressor because the boy never threatened his life or property until he was confronted (possibly). The boy had no weapons on his person. The boy had no motive to attack the "captain" until he was confronted because he wasnt the one pursiung. Anything else could be argued with only one side of the story but the facts are there and he should be in jail. There may be all kinds of facts missing but it looks really bad from where I am sitting.

 

[Benny]

Martin, who lived with his mother in Miami, was a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School. He was in the middle of serving a one-week suspension from the school.

This doesn't excuse Captain Trigger-happy's actions, but I wouldn't mind hearing more about this.

 

[cexshun]

scenario , teen walking down st. shooter see's teen , does not recognize calls 911 to report strange person , 911 says we will handle it , shooter doesn't want kid to get away tries to detain . the kid is unwilling to be detained so shooter tries physical restrain , kid fights off a total strangers attack . shooter getting his head thumped pulls pistol and kills teen . wittiness only see altercation in progress not events leading up to physical altercation and shooting . put yourself in the kids shoes what would you do.

To me, common sense dictates this as the most likely scenario. The simplest explanation is often correct.

That being said, we live in a country where evidence is needed to convict. And while this may allow criminals to walk free, I'll be very grateful for it if I'm ever on the stand. I fully believe this guy should be in jail. Thankfully, my opinion is not enough to convict someone.

 

[Benny]

To me, common sense dictates this as the most likely scenario. The simplest explanation is often correct.

That being said, we live in a country where evidence is needed to convict. And while this may allow criminals to walk free, I'll be very grateful for it if I'm ever on the stand. I fully believe this guy should be in jail. Thankfully, my opinion is not enough to convict someone.

But with the 911 call there is evidence that the Captain wasn't in any sort of danger. He had to pursue the kid to put himself in that danger.

 

[cexshun]

But with the 911 call there is evidence that the Captain wasn't in any sort of danger. He had to pursue the kid to put himself in that danger.

I think the guy is guilty as hell. However, all the 911 tapes show is that the captain made very bad decisions that lead to an altercation. Unfortunately, we don't know what happened after he hung up the phone.

Complaints were filed against the captain with both police and the HOA. Apparently, he made a habit out of hassling residents to the point of following them and even approaching them in their homes. So it does appear he was a mall ninja.