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  • fullmetaljesus

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    You are making my point

    'Alcohol is safe [except: insert conditions and restrictions]' lolz

    Fentanyl is safe if you don't ingest or inject it, but it is far from safe
    Name one thing that you can have an unlimited amount of that doesn't turn into a bad thing.
     

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    Shadow01

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    How many law abiding non-pot smoking citizens will take up the habit if it is legalized? The ones that already use are breaking the law now. What does legalizing actually accomplish?
     

    fullmetaljesus

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    How many law abiding non-pot smoking citizens will take up the habit if it is legalized? The ones that already use are breaking the law now. What does legalizing actually accomplish?
    I'm a law abiding non pot smoking person.
    If it were 100% legal in everyway with out affecting my other rights and I wouldn't lose my job I'd pick up smoking it...or otherwise consuming it.
     

    Ingomike

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    Has it occurred to anyone that democrats might prefer an electorate that is lazy, unmotivated, dependent and in a stupor for reasons other than their newfound 'support' of individual freedoms?

    When our ancestors outlawed alcohol they rightly understood they need to amend the constitution to do so. It also took another amendment to legalize alcohol again. It is a proof of how little we value the constitution compared to them that we arrogantly just pass laws that restrict freedoms whenever the mood hits.
     

    Tryin'

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    Marijuana is safer than alcohol. Change my mind.
    Every single one of my drug owi arrests this year denied being under the influence. Every single mj owi denied feeling high. None of them attributed their poor coordination and driving behavior to the drug. Alcohol owis usually admitted that they "knew it was dangerous/had a little too much/made a bad choice" but decided to drive anyway.
     

    BugI02

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    Is there any known unsafe (as in toxic, not effect) level of THC use? I've never heard of anyone overdosing on it by itself.
    From WebMD

    It’s possible to overdose on marijuana. Here’s how to spot an overdose and treat it.
    Marijuana is one of the most widely used drugs in the U.S., according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse. There are no reports of fatal marijuana overdoses, but it is possible to overdose on cannabis. Symptoms range from mild to severe.

    Marijuana Overdose Symptoms

    Can you overdose on marijuana? Yes, but unlike overdoses of other illicit drugs, a marijuana overdose won't likely be fatal.

    Here are are the symptoms you may experience if you overdose on weed:

    High levels of anxiety
    Panic attack
    Rapid heart rate
    Difficulty conversing
    Poor coordination
    High or low blood pressure
    Nausea and vomiting
    Extreme confusion and memory problems
    Paranoia
    Hallucinations
    Milder overdoses are typically characterized by nausea, anxiety, lethargy, dizziness, and paranoia, says Dr. Weiner. This set of symptoms is sometimes termed “greening out.” He adds that THC overdose signs include cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS) and marijuana-induced psychosis (MIP). The former involves bouts of severe vomiting and abdominal pain—usually lasting for less than 24 hours.
    So, if 'toxic' is what you meant, then the answer is yes. If lethal is what you were angling at, no one has done it yet

    I would hesitate to declare it impossible. Alcohol poisoning is rare outside of fraternity style high intake binge drinking. Similar rapid intake overdose may be possible with THC although since it is not a CNS depressant it would seem less likely - but almost anything can kill you in high enough doses
     

    Karl-just-Karl

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    Real talk. They're never actually going to do it.
    Holcomb says he won't do it. A Republican legislature won't push it.

    Democrats can propose something that doesn't have a snowball's chance of succeeding. Maybe they can gain some more followers (or just gain loyalty) from the pot-head and gimme cultures. They never really have to pass or do anything and they get to sew divisiveness. What do they have to lose?

    It seems like an obvious all-around win for the D's. It also seems like a pretty weak play from a worn out book.
     

    Timjoebillybob

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    You are making my point

    'Alcohol is safe [except: insert conditions and restrictions]' lolz

    Fentanyl is safe if you don't ingest or inject it, but it is far from safe
    Water is safe except.. O2 is safe except..
    Is there any known unsafe (as in toxic, not effect) level of THC use? I've never heard of anyone overdosing on it by itself.
    I've heard of overdosing but not deaths, usually very young kids who got into their parents gummies.
    So, libertarians all about the 1A, 2A and 4A rights until democrats throw a dime bag on the table?

    Bringing new meaning to 'mess o'POTtage
    You seem to think that just because some people on here agree with legalization that they are suddenly start voting dem?
    Every single one of my drug owi arrests this year denied being under the influence. Every single mj owi denied feeling high. None of them attributed their poor coordination and driving behavior to the drug. Alcohol owis usually admitted that they "knew it was dangerous/had a little too much/made a bad choice" but decided to drive anyway.
    So obviously there is a way to identify mj intoxication if it was legal. Delta-8 THC is legal in IN, they sell CBD vape pens that contain high levels of it. Along with gummies. Only Delta-9 is illegal.
     

    BugI02

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    Of course it's subject to cost/benefit analysis. Do you think our budget and manpower is infinite? As a field sergeant, I constantly weighed cost/benefit not just in terms of cost but in terms of risk. Risk to my officers and to the citizens.

    Regardless, what's the point of making an arrest for something that's not going to be prosecuted? What's the point of prosecuting something that won't be punished? You could quite literally fill the county jail with pot smokers and not make a dent in use.

    You're coming at this from an idealistic standpoint. Keeping it illegal is a symbol of disapproval. I understand. However keeping it illegal is useless from a realistic standpoint and not enforcing the law while huge swathes of the population both break it and don't support it reduces respect for laws and law enforcement overall.
    I would say, rather, that legalizing it is another step out onto the slippery slope of decadence

    We are having the same arguments now about rioting and burning property. In some districts those crimes will not be prosecuted even if arrests are made - does that mean those arrests should not be made?

    I concede the argument that puffing is not nearly as dangerous as burning and looting, but where and when do we draw the line about when it is just too much bother to enforce certain laws. I am uncomfortable with the idea of the lawbreakers getting to make that decision and move that line
     

    BugI02

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    You seem to think that just because some people on here agree with legalization that they are suddenly start voting dem?
    I've interacted with people on this site for whom gayness was more important than RKBA and who voted accordingly

    Are you saying you DON'T think there are people for whom the Right to Keep Bonging Acapulco gold wouldn't influence them to vote Democratic if they thought it would get them what they want?

    What percentage of support for libertarians do you think is weed based?
     

    kawtech87

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    Alcohol isn't safe, so being 'safer than alcohol' is faint praise

    Strychnine is 'safer' than cyanide, too
    I'm not saying either is "safe". Both are intoxicants and can be misused and abused. Having seen first hand the effects of alcohol on a life long alcoholic and through extensive personal experimentation with everything from psychedelics to opiates in my teens and early 20s I can say without a doubt its easier to reach the point of incoherence/ incompacitation with alcohol than just about anything. Also the argument that pot is a gateway drug is false. The first thing I smoked was a cigarette. The first time I got intoxicated was from alcohol. The escalation was more do to the people and places I found myself associated with and my personal choices. I made a choice at one point to stop doing drugs and change my life for the better. The only thing I still struggle with is nicotine. I've not been totally able to stop smoking even now. But smoking a joint vs drinking it all depends on what and how much but being high vs drunk the high person is much less likely to hurt anyone else. Thus "safer". I still drink a beer now and then and have a glass of whiskey once or twice a week. But I'm not leaving my house afterwards. I don't do anything else anymore because I have more to lose now and I love my family to much to put them through the legal trouble associated with pot. I don't know if I'd smoke again if it was legal probably not but I believe in self control and moderation. If you can't control yourself you shouldn't drink or smoke anything. But even you an or if you can't control yourself (not implying that you can't) its not your place to try to control the actions of other either.

    Just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it should be illegal for everyone else.
     
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    Leadeye

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    Out of curiosity, when someone is pulled over for impaired driving and they are high but not drunk, how is this prosecuted? Drunk is pretty easy to understand as the breathalyzer gives a number and statutes are written around those numbers. I'm not aware of anything like this for MJ though.
     
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