Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public

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  • ghuns

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    ...Interesting read... looks like plain-old good police work! No telling how many other White Elantra's they had to shift through.
    Maybe now that one victim's dad will finally STFU.

    I can't even begin to imagine how I'd react to my daughter being murdered, but I'd like to think I'd be able to restrain myself from jumping in front of every TV camera I could find and trashing the people trying to find her killer.
     

    KellyinAvon

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    Not accurate. News is reporting an unsubstantiated report that the FBI directed ISP to stop him for this purpose. 100% wrong. The Trooper had no idea who he was.
    Thanks for the accurate info Denny. INGO beats the news by several hours once again.

     

    SheepDog4Life

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    I read 22,000.
    Yes, and the affidavit says their expert indicated that the images were consistent with certain years of an Elantra. Since they were taken in the dark, it wouldn't surprise me if they were also consistent with certain years of Honda Civics. Or certain years of.... a list of similarly shaped automobiles.
    I was impressed with how well written the report was.
    Me too!

    And I also noticed it was written and sworn by a Corporal. Not sure if that's SOP for someone to do the "paperwork" while the Sgts/etc are coordinating the fieldwork?

    Maybe one of our LEOs can chime in...

    While the media seemed to portray all the Moscow police as Barney Fifes it sounds like a whole lot of hard work was going on in the background. The media was just upset they didn't have anything to run on their daily broadcast. And the police chief wasn't looking to become a TV star.
    Yeah, the media are dumb***es. They expect TV CSI **** of "enhance" that image to read the license plate... and at the same time, cellphone records come in that match the owner of the car... all in a one hour program. Sheesh!

    Remind your anti-gun friends that in a world without guns - nothing stops this from happening.
    Absolutely! Stealth intruder at 4am with a KBAR... even if you're alerted, open-handed is not likely to end well even if the defender is equal in size/strength/skill of the attacker. Larger male attacking smaller females... not good odds at all.

    And, per the affidavit, the surviving roommate indicated the one (deceased) roommate's dog was barking and jumping around during the time established of the murders... likely when he entered or was entering that room.
     

    Twangbanger

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    A man and his daughter were killed a few decades ago, I think in Valpo.
    The ex-bf of the daughter showed up.
    Father pulls gun. But doesn't use it.
    Ex-bf walks up, takes the gun, kills both.

    Yes, 'willingness' (or mindset) is definitely part of it.
    It may be semantics, but for me, this is still an expression of ability, not willingness. I can see somebody freezing up and not being able to shoot, but don't envision someone taking in the experience their friends being hacked up, and refusing to use a gun because they're unwilling to take someone's life.

    As an aside, it's a rare modern kid who doesn't have their cellphone handy. So I'm taking what the "survivors" are saying with a packet of salt. The passage of time until the call is probably going to end up being the most talked-about aspect of this. I would love to know what the "phone activity" of the survivors was in the hours afterward. I would be genuinely surprised if it was nothing. I bet their stories will "morph" over time.
     

    Twangbanger

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    You are referring to the same young people at the scene who SAW the suspect walk away from the killing and were so scared that they waited until morning to call 911. They describe their fear as freezing them in place for hours....yeah, giving those kids a gun would have fixed that.
    The survivor use of the term "freezing" might be accurate at face-value, or they might be full of it and trying to cover their azzes for some yet-undisclosed reason. I would still bet there's a decent chance the presence of a gun, with no other changes, could have significantly changed the outcome. Freezing is freezing, and a gun doesn't change that. But there's also such a thing as plain (non-freezing) cowardice, which people might not be inclined to admit, and also simply lack of action due to evaluation of circumstances and rational determination that your best course of action for self-preservation is to remain hidden and ride it out. Peoples' (what you're calling) "willingness" and bravery level can absolutely change, based on what they think they're capable of achieving and their potential odds of success. If you're a 240-lb. wrestler who is physically larger and stronger than 90% of the people you've ever encountered in life, you do not look at the world through the same eyes as the typical 120-pound chick. The typical 120 pound chick having a gun won't make her not freeze, if she's a freezer. But it can absolutely alter her bravery and "willingness" to try something.

    I would still love to know what the survivors' phone activity was during this time. Just as a BS check. We'll probably never know because they're not on trial, but it would be interesting.
     

    SheepDog4Life

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    The survivor use of the term "freezing" might be accurate at face-value, or they might be full of it and trying to cover their azzes for some yet-undisclosed reason. I would still bet there's a decent chance the presence of a gun, with no other changes, could have significantly changed the outcome. Freezing is freezing, and a gun doesn't change that. But there's also such a thing as plain (non-freezing) cowardice, which people might not be inclined to admit, and also simply lack of action due to evaluation of circumstances and rational determination that your best course of action for self-preservation is to remain hidden and ride it out. Peoples' (what you're calling) "willingness" and bravery level can absolutely change, based on what they think they're capable of achieving and their potential odds of success. If you're a 240-lb. wrestler who is physically larger and stronger than 90% of the people you've ever encountered in life, you do not look at the world through the same eyes as the typical 120-pound chick. The typical 120 pound chick having a gun won't make her not freeze, if she's a freezer. But it can absolutely alter her bravery and "willingness" to try something.

    I would still love to know what the survivors' phone activity was during this time. Just as a BS check. We'll probably never know because they're not on trial, but it would be interesting.
    Keep in mind this is a house that was rented by 5-6 college girls (it was 6 but one left college). The boyfriend was visiting his gf, he wasn't on the lease.

    Seeing some strange guy leaving at weird hours in that context, especially after a night of partying, is not the same as such an encounter occurring in your home's hallway at 4-4:30 am.

    Throw in some "normalcy" bias, and my guess - totally a guess - is after the initial shock, she persuaded herself it was someone's friend leaving and went about her normal business and went to sleep. We'll see.

    Also, all of the deceased were found in bedrooms. Roommates normally aren't going to go looking around a roommate's room. Also, the surviving roommates might have slept in until noon... not unusual at all for college kids' Sunday morning after a late Saturday night.

    All cars home, but none of the roommates up at noon is probably what caused initial, "something's not right".
     

    SheepDog4Life

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    According to the affidavit, he took a really out-of-the-way route both going to and coming from the murder scene. There is a direct 9-mile East-West highway between Pullman and Moscow. Instead, he went South about 35 miles extra out of his way... and disconnected from cell service well south of each town.

    I'm just wondering if this was his first? Pretty sure if he hadn't been caught it would not have been his last.
     

    Twangbanger

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    According to the affidavit, he took a really out-of-the-way route both going to and coming from the murder scene. There is a direct 9-mile East-West highway between Pullman and Moscow. Instead, he went South about 35 miles extra out of his way... and disconnected from cell service well south of each town.

    I'm just wondering if this was his first? Pretty sure if he hadn't been caught it would not have been his last.
    You made good points above...college kids these days are less social than in the past, and don't often snoop into each others' lives. I guess I would expect a lot more screaming and resistance in this type of situation, but again...maybe not unusual?

    35 miles each direction, minimum, is a lot of distance to cover with a metal detector looking for a knife. Reckon that isn't getting found.
     

    SheepDog4Life

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    You made good points above...college kids these days are less social than in the past, and don't often snoop into each others' lives. I guess I would expect a lot more screaming and resistance in this type of situation, but again...maybe not unusual?

    35 miles each direction, minimum, is a lot of distance to cover with a metal detector looking for a knife. Reckon that isn't getting found.
    Yes, and from the timeline (combination of outdoor cameras and cellphone pings once he turned it back on) it took him almost two times the ~50 minutes that 40-45 mile "scenic route" return trip should have taken... likely that extra time was to dispose of incriminating evidence and the murder weapon.
     

    Hawkeye

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    Catching some whiffs of desperation from those defense statements.
    What defense statements? I only skimmed the areticle but did not see the defense setting this up. If anything, it would seem to help hte prosecution.
     

    Ark

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    What defense statements? I only skimmed the areticle but did not see the defense setting this up. If anything, it would seem to help hte prosecution.
    Further down, they talk about his alibi being "he just randomly drives around at night" and they claim the DNA evidence was planted.
     

    Hawkeye

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    Further down, they talk about his alibi being "he just randomly drives around at night" and they claim the DNA evidence was planted.
    Who is "they"? The defense? Or the news organization? I can see the "randomly drive around at night" as countering prosecution without endorsing the other stuff in this article. Like I said above, the "frustration" assertion actually could be used by the prosecution to help with "mindset".
     
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